make a supra from the ft-86?

[modifiedMR]

I think if toyota wanted, they could easily make a ft-86 variant match the MKIV supra specs. In fact, they should be able to do even better stock for stock. They would not even have to redesign a whole lot either. The mk4 supra had 320 hp, weighed 3400 lbs and pulled .95-.96 g's (#'s vary here).

THE BUILD

engine:
2.0 L (maybe even the 2.5L)
forged pistons and rods
compression 9.0:1
head reworked for 8K redline and more topend

tranny:
same, except for a higher holding clutch and possible longer gear ratio's
oil cooler

bolt ons:
turbo, size of a td06 or gt3071 (capable of 360-380 whp on pump)
larger throttle body
larger plenum on manifold
front mounted intercooler
oil cooler

chassis:
same except stitch welded
carbon fiber hood (painted)
carbon fiber hatch (painted)
lightweight rims (19 x 9 front/ 19 x 10 rear)

suspension:
stiffer springs
better shocks
larger sway bars

brakes:
6-piston brembo's calipers front
4-piston brembo's rear
better fluid

things that I would include would be toyota's EBD, flex fuel setup and aero options such as wings and diffuser's.

the sti has over 300 hp and there is a UK cosworth very limited edition with 395 hp. if they made the new supra with even the same 320 hp (and it could easily be more), but weighed under 3000 lbs (2700 lbs possible?), it would be faster. the car would also get better gas mileage, should pull more g's due to better weight distribution, brake even better AND be much cheaper than the 75,000+ gtr.

in fact, they still have the trademark
You Asked For It, You Got It: Toyota Secures New Trademark on Supra Name - Car and Driver Blog

maybe there is a new supra in the works???

[ej25ti]

sounds like a good personal build! but a stock gt30 and cf hood/hatch? idk lol

[supraru]

I believe the reawakening of the supra series is still too soon. I give it another 15-20 years before Toyota decides to awake it from its eternal slumber.

[ej25ti]

In 20 years, cars will be very very different lol

[Cal]

Toyota wouldn't do it. No market for it.


Plus with the GTR nearly on par with their 300K LFA they would be hard pressed to build a car to compete with it for the same price and we KNOW it would be compared to the GTR.

[modifiedMR]

Toyota wouldn't do it. No market for it.


Plus with the GTR nearly on par with their 300K LFA they would be hard pressed to build a car to compete with it for the same price and we KNOW it would be compared to the GTR.

the LFA may be somewhat close in specs with the GTR, but they are way different.

I'd imagine a built frs would put down some crazy numbers if done correctly and even slap the GTR in the face for less money. Just look at what can be done to an STI for less than 20k and then put that into the fr-s. Wouldn't take much r&d really. If toyota did their homework and they usually do, it wouldn't be hard to push the fr-s into GTR territory. If the specs are right for the fr-s, 2800 lbs and handles anywhere in the .94 G area, then it wouldn't be hard to push out extraordinary numbers from the platform with what subaru already has for their EJ engines. Add to that some larger tires, brakes and some weight reduction and presto, exotic car numbers for 50k and they would still make money on it.

If all goes well, I will be able to afford an FR-S AND mod it. maybe we'll see what it can do. I was planning on building my mr2 into a time attacker, but just don't have the time in the immediate future. Right now, the fastest cars in the world in time attack are the sti's, evo's, rx-7's and nsx.

EJ> there are many manufacturers using CF now. It wouldn't be hard for toyota to find a supplier for hoods and trunks in CF.

[HyperFX]

Back in 2004 Toyota Motor Corp. built an almost ready to mass produce prototype Toyota Supra. Due to the economy, lack of interest from the public, and a different CEO of Toyota at the time, the car just disappeared into the shadows. This car is called the Toyota Volta/Supra. I hope they bring this car back!

[Toyoriffic]

Looks betta dan a poke in the eye with a sharp stick, don't it? Huh?

[ej25ti]

idk if that looks that production ready lol

[bersh]

supra started out as the celica supra, like another trim level. i can see the sti version from sooby being sold as the frs supra or smthin... but the real supra is gone forever im afraid.

[terrancep123]

looks great in the silver trim..

[Toyoriffic]

looks great in the silver trim..

Man, I took a look back at the car in silver trim and it does look awesome! Take another look, everyone.

[MrVito]

Toyota concept vehicles, 2000-2009 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It was nowhere near production ready, and was just a thought exercise. The thing sat three abreast, it wouldn't even fit in car lane in a major city.

[Cal]

Besides Toyota built something like that.

They just called it a Lexus.

[modifiedMR]

that car is fugly, IMO.

the fr-s has alot of potential. My point is, they've built "supra's" from Celica's before and this isn't far from being the same. Celica's used to be rwd and both the camry and supra were models of it. So, IMO, making a fr-s into a "supra" wouldn't be hard to do with all the STI bits and a little weight reduction. In fact, this car might even be better than the last gen supra as far as handling and braking are concerned. Beating a 2jz in a straight line won't be easy, but even an WRX STI can run with a stock turbo supra now. Take 400 lbs off the STI and see who wins.

A GTR can be beaten. How? look at the build again.

2700 lbs (read weight reduction) with over 320 hp (280 whp) will easily put down a low 12 second quarter and if the car is made to be 15-20k less, i'd say it should sell. in fact, it could be made even cheaper and still do that. At that price point, it's not competing against the GTR.

[modifiedMR]

Cosworth Impreza STI CS400 revealed - AutoWeek

^here is the cosworth. IMO, the fr-s would be cheaper than the awd STI to build as the STI is already more expensive stock. Also, since the fr-s is rwd and lighter, it would be much faster in a straight line.

oh and I thought the GTR was 75-80k, but now it's up to about 90K. This "supra" would be 25-30k LESS. that's huge. it would be more in line with the porsche cayman.

Technical Specs - Cayman S - All Cayman Models - Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG

If you look at the cayman vs cosworth, you can see $ for performance, the subaru will eat it. put that into fr-s chassis and presto, a drift/autox/track king for the $.

oh and there are many oem's making carbon fiber parts now. a hood and trunk/hatch wouldn't be hard to do.

[Cal]

Toyota still won't do it. A car like the Suora, GTR, LFA are halo cars. No money in them. They showcase what the automaker can do and drive up sales of other models.
GTR-370Z LFA-IS Cars

[modifiedMR]

I may be right.

From this months IMPORT TUNER


Look, if the new ft keeps under 2800 lbs and makes over 320 hp, it will beat the old Supra by far. All they have to do is keep the price less than $60,000 USD or better around $45,000 USD, which will be about $10,000 or more above what the BRZ STI will be. I imagine that a 2.0 T with 350 hp, 2800 lbs (possibly LESS!), brembo's, lsd, minor aero and some minor changes in features, won't beat the $85,000, 3800 lb, 530 hp GTR. It should come close and cost well over $20,000 LESS. As Cal has in his sig, sports cars about about bang for the buck performance and/or making a statement. A new Supra for $45k that will eat mustangs in a straight line (power to weight owns) AND then compete decently against porsche's, etc on a road course, will do that! Think of how well the s2000 does on a road course. Add over 100 hp, 150 tq (<tq is weak on the s2000) better brakes, better aero and maybe a slight drop in weight and see how it fares. It may not beat the GTR, but I bet it gets close and well, who is going to go with a GTR for $85k base over a close competitors car for even $55k? Add to the fact that cobb alone has made 400 hp EJ's, you could see a 400 hp, 2800 lb Supra. Now who wins?

The real competition will be Caymens, Audi's, Mustangs and Lotus's if the price is where I'm guessing it would be ($40-60K). If they drop the concept and leak a 40-42k price tag. F the FRS/BRZ, I'm getting a SUPRA!!!!!

[Cal]

IMO They can either dumb down the LFA or soup up the GT 86. Can't lose either way.

[modifiedMR]

IMO They can either dumb down the LFA or soup up the GT 86. Can't lose either way.

LFA's chassis is WAY too expensive. They LOSE money one selling them. No joke.

2012 Lexus LFA vs 2010 Nissan GT-R Comparison - Motor Trend

I would say this chassis is rip for some power. Not too much power as it is somewhat light, but somewhere in the 300-400 hp. Then focus on dropping weight and moving weight rearward. If an 300 hp STI costs ~$35k with all it's tech, a more simple rwd car utilizing similar parts with some exotic materials shouldn't be more than $45k. I could see them going for 400 hp and using a dry sump oiling system. IDK though, some engineers say the GT/BRZ can't be boosted. Just thinking that Subie has been boosting cars for years and now has over 280 hp in the 2.0 EJ STI. Trickle that tech into a light rwd car and you have a car that is FASTER than the MK4 Supra and should handle BETTER too.

[upsdude]

the brz/fr-s isn't even on sale yet and you guys are pining for a new supra? lol

[modifiedMR]

the brz/fr-s isn't even on sale yet and you guys are pining for a new supra? lol

Yep. The brz/gt86/frs aint got enough power and seems like there might not be a turbo model in the works. It seems logical that they might take this very refined chassis (they've been on this car for years) and build the next Supra. If the news drops, I'll keep driving my cars all while saving for a Supra over the BRZ/FRS and over the supposedly non-turbo STI variant. Too hooked on grip AND go right now with my mr2. Why go slower?

[Cal]

the brz/fr-s isn't even on sale yet and you guys are pining for a new supra? lol

Nissan stop producing the 240sx in 98 and I am still pining for a new one. So yea not surprised people are wanting a new Supra. Lol

[ej25ti]

btw, the supra in that pic a few posts up.... SHIT'S HAWT!

[Cal]

^^You talkin about that ugly ass concept in post 7?

[ej25ti]

no the one in comment 18

[Toyoriffic]

btw, the supra in that pic a few posts up.... SHIT'S HAWT!

Yeah, it's the silver 2014 Supra in comment #18 that's HOT!

[Cal]

Oh, then yes agreed fully. I wonder if Toyota would pull a Nissan and make it damn near super car status.

[modifiedMR]

Oh, then yes agreed fully. I wonder if Toyota would pull a Nissan and make it damn near super car status.

I hope they do. They can easily take this FRS and go hardcore mode on it. Put 350-400 hp and keep it under 2800 lbs with lighter materials. Like I've been ranting about over and over, it can be done MUCH cheaper than the GTR. Think GTR power to weight, lower weight, lower COG and better GRIP. Like the concept FRS widebody with that power and very little more weight. I would like to see something that thrashes the Mustang GT and GT500 with comparable pricing in the 40-50k range. Once again, I think it could be AS fast as a GTR, for LESS money. Look at the older GTR's, the Supra was better then.