Toyota or Subaru?

**Raid3n** · 01-20-2012, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by Cal

Scoobie all the way.

+1 All the way

**Cal** · 01-20-2012, 08:42 PM

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**Robh** · 01-21-2012, 12:46 AM

I prefer the frs front end, and the subaru wing. I also wouldn't mind a push button start. That being said, I think the frs will come in about $2,000 cheaper than the brz letting me put in my catback, downpipes, headder and exhaust due to scions no haggle vs dealer markup on the brz. I recall someone posting that subaru won't even do friends and family on the first gen brz.

The scion ultramarine color is growing on me vs subie blue.

**RMR** · 01-21-2012, 01:17 PM

I'm going for the Scion and the First mod the car will get is Yoda badges...

**pocketdrummer** · 01-23-2012, 07:24 PM

Why is it that the toyota and scion are both under 1 option and the Subaru is by itself? Seems like a skewed poll to me...

**TRDGT86** · 01-26-2012, 07:01 PM

86 for sure

**Neutron256** · 01-27-2012, 07:38 AM

Just went to the Subaru dealership yesterday and put down my deposit on a BRZ. I'm 7th on their list.

**ej25ti** · 01-27-2012, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by Neutron256

Just went to the Subaru dealership yesterday and put down my deposit on a BRZ. I'm 7th on their list.

really?
how much did u put down?

**Neutron256** · 01-27-2012, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by ej25ti

really?
how much did u put down?

$250 down now to get my name on the waiting list.. I need to put down another $750 when the dealership can actually order from Subaru. They think that will be soon but don't know exactly when.

**417rotor** · 02-17-2012, 01:16 AM

The Toyota for sure because it has the heritage. This was a Toyota idea and because of Akio Toyoda it is happening. Toyota also has the motorsport heritage, 3 WRC championships, a Formula 1 team, Le Mans teams, a World endurance team, and GT cars. It also shares blood with the Toyota sports 800 with its boxer motor, the AE86, the Supra, the MR2, the Celica GT4, The ISF, The LFA and of course the 2000GT..... I know Subaru has also won 3 WRC championships but that is all.... and the Impreza STI as cool as it is.... is still a 4 door mom car the has been dressed up.... And Subaru has seemed to have lost its passion for motorsports while Toyota is building its up.... "Love" is great and all for hippies and soccer moms, but I think the bad styling and lame performance out of the latest Subaru line up has me spending my money on the Toyota.... And I think the car industry has seen this as well as it seems to be shouting nothing but praises to Toyota and Tada-san

**Turbowned** · 02-19-2012, 09:52 AM

Subaru has more racing heritage than that; give them some credit. Subies get raced all over the world in all different types of racing. Of course Toyota has way more, no denying that, but they're also a much bigger company. Scion on the other hand doesn't have anything besides Chris Rado and his Time Attack tC and Ken Gushi's RWD drift tC... kinda lame by comparison. And while we're at it:

Here's Subaru's current sports car offering:

VS. Toyota's:

300bhp vs 180bhp... AWD vs. FWD.... Gotta go with Subie on this one.

**Raid3n** · 02-19-2012, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by Cal

^^^Time for sig........

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you deleted it?

**Do Boy** · 03-14-2012, 10:05 PM

BRZ for me!

**Cal** · 03-15-2012, 12:51 AM

Originally Posted by Raid3n

you deleted it?

No, mine is still there. I was saying perhaps it was time you joined Team Scoobie

**milwsteve** · 03-18-2012, 09:22 PM

The front end of the Scion looks better imo. Don't need nav, etc. And the Scion is likely to be less expensive. But really, they're the same car. So which ever I can get my hands on first...

**crisco** · 03-21-2012, 12:02 AM

im a long time subaru fan, but whichever gets the most bang for the buck (sounds like scion will have the better price for the options i am interested in).

full disclosure:
i have had WRXs and an STI for the last 10 years, and now i have a turbo legacy but i also had a saabaru.

**celica00** · 03-21-2012, 12:56 AM

IMO 86>BRZ>FRS

hate scion and love toyota. subaru is still neutral but like ive stated in the past, FRS is my 1st choice as it is cheaper and im not much for the luxury options that subaru are offering. first mod will be changing the badging to toyota though

**ej25ti** · 03-22-2012, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by celica00

IMO 86>BRZ>FRS

hate scion and love toyota. subaru is still neutral but like ive stated in the past, FRS is my 1st choice as it is cheaper and im not much for the luxury options that subaru are offering. first mod will be changing the badging to toyota though

why do u like the 86 so much more over the FRS?

**celica00** · 03-22-2012, 11:50 AM

why do u like the 86 so much more over the FRS?

to me, its like the toyota father gave two of his sons branches of his company. the intelligent son made lexus. the frat boy dude bro son made scion. thus, i cant respect scion. do you understand what im trying to say?

**ej25ti** · 03-22-2012, 12:04 PM

so then it's pretty much all brand

**celica00** · 03-22-2012, 01:55 PM

yep bullseye and also they type of people that drive scion.

**milwsteve** · 03-27-2012, 06:53 PM

What type of people drive scion?

**Cal** · 03-27-2012, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by milwsteve

What type of people drive scion?

Depends on what kind and whether you mean in reality or stereo typically.

For instance the scion XB

Stereo typically driven by ricers and made to look like this.

In reality you are just as likely to see an older person driving it.

The young buyer profile makes perfect sense. But here’s where Scion’s market turns interesting: older buyers love the car.

“You also see older buyers, people in their 60s and even 70s, who you might not expect to be the typical Scion buyer,” Taguchi continues. “But they’re young at heart.”

“This buyer is attracted to the car for its reliability and dependability. They know it’s a Toyota and it stands out from the crowd. So it’s different than the expensive cars their friends might drive.”

True. The older neighbor who motors along inconspicuously in a Toyota Avalon will never be mistaken for a grey-haired driver in an xB.

**Wandr3r** · 03-27-2012, 11:20 PM

Well I thought the BRZ looked nicer for some reason. I got to see them both at the Calgary Auto show. I like the look of the BRZ, and the FRS price tag. Problem is in Canada we pay between $5 to 10 grand more for ANY Subaru then the US. No idea why? We have THE major port from japan (vancouver) feeding all of Canada and the entire North West coast of the US. Our dollar is also worth more, but we pay a markup on everything, Subaru has the worst markup of any Japanese brand here (in fact Nissan charges $1200 less for the 370z here then in the US)!

For example these prices are pulled from the Subaru website *Canada WRX STI 4 Door $38995 CAD* --- *USA WRX STI 4 door $34090 USD* So if the BRZ in the US starts at $25 grand it will cost $29 grand up here. that's what I am expecting

**celica00** · 03-28-2012, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by Wandr3r

Well I thought the BRZ looked nicer for some reason. I got to see them both at the Calgary Auto show. I like the look of the BRZ, and the FRS price tag. Problem is in Canada we pay between $5 to 10 grand more for ANY Subaru then the US. No idea why? We have THE major port from japan (vancouver) feeding all of Canada and the entire North West coast of the US. Our dollar is also worth more, but we pay a markup on everything, Subaru has the worst markup of any Japanese brand here (in fact Nissan charges $1200 less for the 370z here then in the US)!

For example these prices are pulled from the Subaru website *Canada WRX STI 4 Door $38995 CAD* --- *USA WRX STI 4 door $34090 USD* So if the BRZ in the US starts at $25 grand it will cost $29 grand up here. that's what I am expecting

so for the badge, youre willing to pay 5 grand more for the same car?

**Wandr3r** · 03-28-2012, 03:55 PM

I was just saying the BRZ looked better, and pointing out the fact that Suabru has a huge markup in Canada. Im sure that buy the time they are out I will be forced to buy the Scion.

**Black Tire** · 04-05-2012, 09:03 AM

I chose the Scion because I did not want the nav system that is standard on the Subaru. I also did not want to pay extra for fancy lights, push button start etc., and I like that I can order TRD parts ala carte, not in packages.

**modifiedMR** · 04-06-2012, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by Wandr3r

Problem is in Canada we pay between $5 to 10 grand more for ANY Subaru then the US. No idea why?

For example these prices are pulled from the Subaru website *Canada WRX STI 4 Door $38995 CAD* --- *USA WRX STI 4 door $34090 USD* So if the BRZ in the US starts at $25 grand it will cost $29 grand up here. that's what I am expecting

It's called socialism. You pay for it. Here we pay for things we want (depending on a Supreme Court ruling). Hell, I'd ditch paying for social security if I could. Rather pay into my savings.

Sorry to bring up political ideology but it's true. Europe pays alot more for cars too.

**modifiedMR** · 04-06-2012, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by Black Tire

I chose the Scion because I did not want the nav system that is standard on the Subaru. I also did not want to pay extra for fancy lights, push button start etc., and I like that I can order TRD parts ala carte, not in packages.

That is nice, but they you have to pay to get them installed to keep your warranty. Is someone waiting for a supercharger.