Transmission

[Artie]

What type of transmission would toyobaru have?

It must be a 6 speed manual based on new Legacy version or semi-automatic like new EVOX.
Does anybody know? What would you like?

[Exitspeed]

6 Speed manual. No other option is even an option for me.

[Artie]

LOL. Likewise. My only hope that this trans will be strong.

[TheRealWRX]

gotta be manual, preferably a 6 speed.

[Exitspeed]

Who the hell voted auto? I don't see any girls on this site?

[05 Legacy Gt wagon]

It needs a semi - automatic similar to the EVO's or GT-R's. The performance that they are getting from these transmissions, far outshine any 6 speed manual transmission made today. That's what's wrong with some people today, everything performance has to be a manual transmission. Subaru did it with the new Legacy GT, only offering a six speed manual, now they can't sell them, some people just don't like shifting a manual transmission, due to health reasons, or just not wanting to do it. That doesn't mean they don't like performance, or don't want a performance car. There is nothing in any performance books that I've read in my 60 years of life that states the only transmissions allowed on performance vehicles are manual transmissions, or that is the prefered transmission. It all comes down to your own personal likes and dislikes, but don't cut down someone because they don't care for a manual transmission. It's your right to like manual transmissions, but it is also each other's right to like an semi- automatic, or full automatic transmission.

[Artie]

I would agree with you if only it had rev match on downshift like GT-R. Some of the semi-automatic would be very hard to drive in the racing environment. I really hope that we could have trans with like Ferrari or GT-R for less than 30K.

[Exitspeed]

I know how great the tranny is in the GTR, but I still prefer to row my own. I don't care if it's an option and it's slightly faster, I'd still pick the stick.

[05 Legacy Gt wagon]

Let's face it how many of these cars are going to be run at a track, most likely less than 25 %, so the masses are not going to even race these cars. There was a saying back in the 60's when selling cars, Race them on Sunday, sell them on Monday, however 75% of those same cars, were never raced. They were driven on the street. People just liked the way they looked and performed and had no interest in any type of racing.So in developing the car, both types of transmissions should be offered, don't just limit the transmission to a manual.

[dflwrx]

Let's face it how many of these cars are going to be run at a track, most likely less than 25 %, so the masses are not going to even race these cars. There was a saying back in the 60's when selling cars, Race them on Sunday, sell them on Monday, however 75% of those same cars, were never raced. They were driven on the street. People just liked the way they looked and performed and had no interest in any type of racing.So in developing the car, both types of transmissions should be offered, don't just limit the transmission to a manual.

I think that statement just underlines the point that Artie was making. The semi-auto sequential transmissions are great as long as they perform.

I think what he's getting at is that if you're going to put the semi-auto in a performance car it needs to be a legitimate one, designed with performance in mind. Some of the cars equipped with paddle shift these days simply have standard automatic transmissions with a manual shift option. They don't rev match on shifts, and they shift slower than molasses in January.

Every vehicle I've ever owned has been a manual and I genuinely enjoy driving a stick. However, I'd be willing to cross over to a paddle shifted car as long as it performed as well as, or better than a manual transmission car.


Also, I'd argue that if there is a TRD or STI version of these cars produced 50% or more of them will see some type of racing or performance driving use.

My .02

[Exitspeed]

Let's face it how many of these cars are going to be run at a track, most likely less than 25 %, so the masses are not going to even race these cars. There was a saying back in the 60's when selling cars, Race them on Sunday, sell them on Monday, however 75% of those same cars, were never raced. They were driven on the street. People just liked the way they looked and performed and had no interest in any type of racing.So in developing the car, both types of transmissions should be offered, don't just limit the transmission to a manual.

That's all common sense really. Of course the majority of the cars sold are going to be auto. No one was saying that the car should only come in stick. There isn't a car on the market that is ONLY offered in stick.

What I wouldn't be happy with though is the car ONLY being auto. Even if it's the best one of the block. I still would get the stick.

[dflwrx]

I'd still pick the stick.

LOL, just caught this...

[05 Legacy Gt wagon]

While you are correct for most cars, as of right now, the STI, WRX, and Legacy GT are only offered with manual transmissions. I can agree with the STI/ WRX being only offered with manual, because there are a higher percentage that will see some kind of track duty, but the Legacy GT's market has always been toward older Subaru buyers that don't want the manual transmissions, but still wanted the performance of a turbo boxer engine. The offering that Subaru is trying to push off on these buyers is the H6 with 247 hp, and 245 ft lb of torque. I had the chance to drive one, and lets say it doesn't come close to performing like my 05 Legacy GT. I am just not happy with all of these car company's taking their performance cars and only offering them with manual transmissions. I will say this, for many years I only drove manual transmissions, but there will come a time in everyone's life, due to injury, health reasons, or just isn't fun anymore, that you will not want to shift a manual transmission anymore, on a daily basis. Just enjoy your fun while you can.

[West]

6 Spd manny, no question.

[Exitspeed]

While you are correct for most cars, as of right now, the STI, WRX, and Legacy GT are only offered with manual transmissions. I can agree with the STI/ WRX being only offered with manual, because there are a higher percentage that will see some kind of track duty, but the Legacy GT's market has always been toward older Subaru buyers that don't want the manual transmissions, but still wanted the performance of a turbo boxer engine. The offering that Subaru is trying to push off on these buyers is the H6 with 247 hp, and 245 ft lb of torque. I had the chance to drive one, and lets say it doesn't come close to performing like my 05 Legacy GT. I am just not happy with all of these car company's taking their performance cars and only offering them with manual transmissions. I will say this, for many years I only drove manual transmissions, but there will come a time in everyone's life, due to injury, health reasons, or just isn't fun anymore, that you will not want to shift a manual transmission anymore, on a daily basis. Just enjoy your fun while you can.

There is some confusion here because we are actually talking about two different cars. I was actually talking about the Toyota version and you are talking about the Suby version.

I can see your point about possibly the STI version only being offered in stick.

The Toyota version, which is the only version I'm actually interested in, will no doubt be available in either auto or manual.

I don't agree however that there will be a time in everyone's life that they won't want a stick due to whatever reason. You can't say everyone just because of your own personally experiences. I know plenty of guys in their 40's, 50's, and 60's who still drive a manual car.

[05 Legacy Gt wagon]

You are right, I should have phrased differently, MOST, will gravitate to auto transmissions, on a daily basis. I belong to several car clubs, National Nostalgic Nova, Chevelle Club of America, National Street Machine Club, to mention a few, and am active in all, while most guys, and some girls love their manual transmissions, in there older cars, that they drive to car shows etc, if you asked most of them what they drive every day, they will tell you automatic transmissions, most but not everyone have big trucks and SUV's, that they will tell you no way they would have a manual transmission. The hassle of driving a manual transmission in heavy traffic is not not much fun as you grow older, on an every day basis. While most will have manual transmissions in their play toy's so to speak, that in most cases will not be the case in their daily drivers. Lets face it, what you plan on doing with your car performance track duty along with daily use, yes the manual or semi auto would be the choice, but for most that will be using them for transportation on a daily basis , with no intention of track duty, but still what the added performance of a turbo charger, and bembo brakes with suspension upgrades, I think they should offer both forms of transmissions. It is showing with the 2010 Legacy GT, in past years 95 % of all GT's were sold with automatic transmissions, now that is no longer an option. I have talked with at least 20 different dealers in a 4 state area surrounding Indiana, all have told me that they can't sell the 2010 Legacy GT because of the lack of an automatic transmission. I was trying to find an 09 but couldn't find one, that's how I found out, so I went and drove an H6 2010 Legacy, NO THANK YOU !!!!!!! So I'm hoping for the new coupe will have an automatic/ semi auto transmission, with a turbo boxer engine. I'm sorry if I confused you, I'm not interested in a Toyota.

[Cal]

6 speed manual, everything else is lame.

[05 Legacy Gt wagon]

6 speed manual, everything else is lame.

That is what I call open minded, this is why I don't stay to long on these kinds of sites, rather than understanding someone else's opinion, if you're different and like something else, then you're LAME. I thought maybe this site might be different, but it's not. Least you forgot, this is AMERICA, and each one has a right to their own opinion with out someone, putting them down. I may not agree with you, but I don't put you down for likes and dislikes. You don't know my situation, I can't drive a manual transmission, because I was involved in an accident while on a fire, where the Aerial Truck I was on overturned, and I went head first into the pavement, from 60 ft up, injurying my back, head, shoulder, and hips, almost died. I have had one hip replaced and the other is needing it soon. So therefore I can't drive a stick. I have two nice Subaru's, Legacy GT and Forester Sport XT, both turbos which both have stage two Cobb Accessports with suspension, brakes wheels and tire upgrades, along with uppipes and down pipes and aftermarket exhaust, both are automatics, and perform very nicely for my needs. I was just pointing out that not everyone can use a manual transmission, and it should be offered with both manual and semi- automatic/ automatic transmissions. I'm really sorry I offended anyone for expressing my opinion, I think I've earned that right fighting for this country in Viet Nam, and serving the public as a Paramedic/ Firefighter for over 27 years.

[Cal]

That is what I call open minded, this is why I don't stay to long on these kinds of sites, rather than understanding someone else's opinion, if you're different and like something else, then you're LAME. I thought maybe this site might be different, but it's not. Least you forgot, this is AMERICA, and each one has a right to their own opinion with out someone, putting them down. I may not agree with you, but I don't put you down for likes and dislikes. You don't know my situation, I can't drive a manual transmission, because I was involved in an accident while on a fire, where the Aerial Truck I was on overturned, and I went head first into the pavement, from 60 ft up, injurying my back, head, shoulder, and hips, almost died. I have had one hip replaced and the other is needing it soon. So therefore I can't drive a stick. I have two nice Subaru's, Legacy GT and Forester Sport XT, both turbos which both have stage two Cobb Accessports with suspension, brakes wheels and tire upgrades, along with uppipes and down pipes and aftermarket exhaust, both are automatics, and perform very nicely for my needs. I was just pointing out that not everyone can use a manual transmission, and it should be offered with both manual and semi- automatic/ automatic transmissions. I'm really sorry I offended anyone for expressing my opinion, I think I've earned that right fighting for this country in Viet Nam, and serving the public as a Paramedic/ Firefighter for over 27 years.

I didn't say the people who like them were lame. I said the trannies themselves were lame. Perhaps I should have put IMO. Exitspeed can vouch I am actually and incredibly open minded person. Some people like automatics, thats cool, you like what you like.

Sucks to hear about your accident though. I don't know you but I would salute you if I ever met you.

[Exitspeed]

That is what I call open minded, this is why I don't stay to long on these kinds of sites, rather than understanding someone else's opinion, if you're different and like something else, then you're LAME. I thought maybe this site might be different, but it's not. Least you forgot, this is AMERICA, and each one has a right to their own opinion with out someone, putting them down. I may not agree with you, but I don't put you down for likes and dislikes. You don't know my situation, I can't drive a manual transmission, because I was involved in an accident while on a fire, where the Aerial Truck I was on overturned, and I went head first into the pavement, from 60 ft up, injurying my back, head, shoulder, and hips, almost died. I have had one hip replaced and the other is needing it soon. So therefore I can't drive a stick. I have two nice Subaru's, Legacy GT and Forester Sport XT, both turbos which both have stage two Cobb Accessports with suspension, brakes wheels and tire upgrades, along with uppipes and down pipes and aftermarket exhaust, both are automatics, and perform very nicely for my needs. I was just pointing out that not everyone can use a manual transmission, and it should be offered with both manual and semi- automatic/ automatic transmissions. I'm really sorry I offended anyone for expressing my opinion, I think I've earned that right fighting for this country in Viet Nam, and serving the public as a Paramedic/ Firefighter for over 27 years.

Sorry to hear about what happened to you. My father was wounded in Nam and lost a lot of movement in his hand/wrist/arm from being shot.

This forum will be just like any other forum out there, but it comes down to how you deal with people's post. Cwrigh25 wasn't personally attacking you. He simply stated his opnion just as you stated yours. No reason to get defensive. Although I do can understand your sensitivity to the matter.

I didn't say the people who like them were lame. I said the trannies themselves were lame. Perhaps I should have put IMO. Exitspeed can vouch I am actually and incredibly open minded person. Some people like automatics, thats cool, you like what you like.

Sucks to hear about your accident though. I don't know you but I would salute you if I ever met you.

Cwrigh25 is one of the good guys. He's not here to bust anyone balls, and be a troll and start shit. Just a simple misunderstanding.

People all have their own preferences.

[dflwrx]

Least you forgot, this is AMERICA, and each one has a right to their own opinion with out someone, putting them down. I may not agree with you, but I don't put you down for likes and dislikes.

Sorry to hear about your injury, that's really rough. I hope you've regained at least some function now.


It's probably worth pointing out that, as far as I know, this is a multi-national site and as a result everyone is not necessarily American.

As far as I can tell, no one was being intolerant of your desire for an automatic transmission to be offered, they're simply stating THEIR desire that a manual transmission be offered. As you pointed out, the two are not mutually exclusive. I don't think the "lame" comment was meant to be derogatory, simply that Cwrigh25 enjoys driving an auto less and personally finds it "lame."

Additionally, to be fair, the entire concept of freedom in America is that everyone, regardless of who they are, SHOULD be entitled to an opinion and the opportunity to express it (certain criminal exceptions excluded). So there's no reason to evoke your prior employment history in this discussion. That doesn't make your opinion, or right to express it, any more or less valid. That's frustrating to people who have dedicated their lives to equally important work in different fields and somehow implies that having a government service job should afford you greater clout in a completely unrelated discussion.

Anyway, not being able to drive a manual transmission, but still desiring the performance of a sports car is a compelling argument for automatic transmissions to be offered, that's all you needed to say and I think we're all accepting of that even if we like our double clutch downshifts

[Cal]

Sorry to hear about what happened to you. My father was wounded in Nam and lost a lot of movement in his hand/wrist/arm from being shot.

This forum will be just like any other forum out there, but it comes down to how you deal with people's post. Cwrigh25 wasn't personally attacking you. He simply stated his opnion just as you stated yours. No reason to get defensive. Although I do can understand your sensitivity to the matter.



Cwrigh25 is one of the good guys. He's not here to bust anyone balls, and be a troll and start shit. Just a simple misunderstanding.

People all have their own preferences.

Bump to Thank Exit for the vote of confidence.

[Cone]

I vote for 5 speed. 6 would be cool, but I think I'd like a 5 speed, since it would require less shifting, and might be better for drifting.

[Exitspeed]

I vote for 5 speed. 6 would be cool, but I think I'd like a 5 speed, since it would require less shifting, and might be better for drifting.

Reason I'd prefer a 6 speed is for daily use. My Eclipse had a 5 speed and on the freeway I just felt like I wanted one more gear to cruise more smoothly.

Honestly though, either 5 or 6 is fine with me. As long as it's manual.

[SUPRAtruc2JZGE]

6 Speed get my vote.

More advantage to upgrade in the future.

[G4BROKE]

Way far fetched for "standard" equipment but would be fun:

6 speed sequential paddle shift / dog gearbox

[Cal]

6 Speed get my vote.

More advantage to upgrade in the future.

I don't quite get this statmenet, explain please?

Yes I am a newb

[SUPRAtruc2JZGE]

Ummm think of of my Supra N/A 5speed I only have mini HP on it, if I had 6Speed on it I can get more then enough HP to it. I feel that this FT86 might be 7Speed since most of the previous or new cars are already having 6speed, I just don't know why I think that way. Maybe I'm on drugs, lmao!! JK

[Cal]

Ummm think of of my Supra N/A 5speed I only have mini HP on it, if I had 6Speed on it I can get more then enough HP to it. I feel that this FT86 might be 7Speed since most of the previous or new cars are already having 6speed, I just don't know why I think that way. Maybe I'm on drugs, lmao!! JK

A 7sp manual seems like it would be a hassle. If their is an auto version I can definitely see a 7spd.

[SUPRAtruc2JZGE]

Crazy I'm still trying to figure that out too, lol!