Will you buy the Toyota FT-86 if Subaru fails us by not releasing the 216a Variant? - Toyota FT-86 Forum and Subaru 216a Forum

scoobie · 01-29-2010, 05:34 PM

Will you buy the Toyota FT-86 is Subaru fails us by not releasing the 216a Variant?

Cwrigh25 · 01-29-2010, 08:54 PM

I will probably start looking for another boosted car. Then again never know.

West · 01-31-2010, 12:36 PM

Do you mean the 086a? Either way, I'm looking to get the FT-86 anyways... so I said yes.

Cwrigh25 · 01-31-2010, 01:54 PM

^No Suby love either?

Exitspeed · 02-01-2010, 09:52 AM

No Suby love here either. I want the Toyota version. And it doesn't have to have Suby's best engine either. Low weight and balance are more important to me.

West · 02-01-2010, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Exitspeed

No Suby love here either. I want the Toyota version. And it doesn't have to have Suby's best engine either. Low weight and balance are more important to me.

Agreed, I heart all Subaru engines.

So there is some Suby love.

ra23celica · 02-01-2010, 09:04 PM

I still believe that Toyota are going to release a turbo version of the FT-86 as well as the NA.

ProZach626 · 02-02-2010, 11:15 AM

I'm more interested in the subtle curves of the toyota, as long as it has enough power. I'm not looking for anything crazy.

Jason · 02-02-2010, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ra23celica

I still believe that Toyota are going to release a turbo version of the FT-86 as well as the NA.

Your in luck thanks to recent news of the Gazoo "G's" turbo FT-86.

scoobie · 02-02-2010, 10:14 PM

Im sad to say this, but based on recent news. I honestly don't think Subaru will be releasing a 086a/216a...

This car is going to be the hottest thing on planet earth, does there need to be two versions?

Im still hoping for a Subie variant, but Toyota has moistened my panties.

Cwrigh25 · 02-03-2010, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by scoobie

Im sad to say this, but based on recent news. I honestly don't think Subaru will be releasing a 086a/216a...

This car is going to be the hottest thing on planet earth, does there need to be two versions?

Im still hoping for a Subie variant, but Toyota has moistened my panties.

Why do yo feel that? Do you mean you feel they won't be releasing it in America or not releasing one period?

ej25ti · 02-04-2010, 12:09 AM

yes to the original question
but i really damn hope they come out with the scoob

Cwrigh25 · 02-04-2010, 01:41 PM

^Likewise. Subies have been looking better and better these days. I saw a silver STI at work today that was pretty hot.

G4BROKE · 02-15-2010, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ra23celica

I still believe that Toyota are going to release a turbo version of the FT-86 as well as the NA.

I had believe it before it was official....then confirmed... sure they will limit it too.

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Originally Posted by scoobie

Im sad to say this, but based on recent news. I honestly don't think Subaru will be releasing a 086a/216a...

This car is going to be the hottest thing on planet earth, does there need to be two versions?

Im still hoping for a Subie variant, but Toyota has moistened my panties.

I'm sure Subaru will release this car in the US...but some time after the FT-86 is released. Surely it will not be released first in the USA but eventually. Subaru will only be AWD, and besides when was the last 2dr coupe AWD from Subaru - how many years now? Many are going to get it, even if they currently have a Subie or want this the be their first. It won't be as cheap as the FT though, so likely it may be about low 30K.

Cwrigh25 · 02-15-2010, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by G4BROKE

I'm sure Subaru will release this car in the US...but some time after the FT-86 is released. Surely it will not be released first in the USA but eventually. Subaru will only be AWD, and besides when was the last 2dr coupe AWD from Subaru - how many years now? Many are going to get it, even if they currently have a Subie or want this the be their first. It won't be as cheap as the FT though, so likely it may be about low 30K.

I am still wondering performance wise how it will stack up against the STI.

G4BROKE · 02-15-2010, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Cwrigh25

I am still wondering performance wise how it will stack up against the STI.

Well have to consider...

Current STI AWD approx. 3375lbs (new chassis 2 dr, maybe 3000lbs?) maybe 270-290+HP 2.0L turbo. Really depends on what they put in for turbo...but after market will be ready.

FT-86 RWD maybe 2800lbs? maybe 2.0L N/A 220-240HP 2.0L Turbo ~270-290HP

This is all speculation but considering the weight...it will be something to see both stock turbos go at it. FT may take it but can't see Subie owners staying with stock turbo if that happens. Again, FT guys will do the same.

*** NO one has even mentioned the pistons issue with Subaru boxer engines. I HOPE TOYOTA has MENTIONED to SUBARU to USE other pistons (preferably forged).....else they will play the repair game too and this will really HURT Toyota AGAIN! Then it will become a fail, BIG fail.

Cwrigh25 · 02-16-2010, 09:54 AM

Upon searching the almighty googles. I found that piston slap error you referred to. I'm sure Toyota is fully aware of this and made sure they used stronger pistons. If not then like you said it will be disastrous for Toyota.

ej25ti · 02-16-2010, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G4BROKE

*** NO one has even mentioned the pistons issue with Subaru boxer engines. I HOPE TOYOTA has MENTIONED to SUBARU to USE other pistons (preferably forged).....else they will play the repair game too and this will really HURT Toyota AGAIN! Then it will become a fail, BIG fail.

thank god that's only on the 07's and up i believe

hehe

G4BROKE · 02-16-2010, 06:13 PM

The engines 04/05 had forged pistons but Subaru phase them out due to engine noise and other factors. They went with cast pistons (not sure about the 06)...and all the trouble came with the ringlands! I believe there is a chance they had redesigned the ringlands differently for the current year, but I don't know and can't confirm. Well, I have forged pistons so I'm relieved.

ra23celica · 02-19-2010, 12:32 AM

Toyota would be foolish not to release this car in the US. Some of the highest volumes of its sports cars (MR2/Celica/Supra) were sold in the land of the free. After all the bad press about the recalls, Toyota desperately needs this car to restore the faith lost and bring new hope into its showrooms...

Cwrigh25 · 02-19-2010, 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ra23celica

Toyota would be foolish not to release this car in the US. Some of the highest volumes of its sports cars (MR2/Celica/Supra) were sold in the land of the free. After all the bad press about the recalls, Toyota desperately needs this car to restore the faith lost and bring new hope into its showrooms...

It has been confirmed by the president that the car will be coming to the US. Now the Subaru, not so sure of that one.

HyperFX · 02-20-2010, 07:46 AM

I really hope they release a subie as well. There are some individuals like myself who live in snowy areas. An awd vehicle would seem sensible. If not, can a toyota release an awd version?

ra23celica · 02-20-2010, 05:09 PM

I wonder if Toyota has enough 'power' with its part ownership of Subaru to say "No Mr Subaru, you are not releasing a version of this car"???

ej25ti · 02-20-2010, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ra23celica

no mr subaru, you are not releasing a version of this car

lol ^^^ =p

G4BROKE · 02-22-2010, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HyperFX

If not, can a toyota release an awd version?

I'm sure Subaru will release their car but not as quick and surely AWD.

I really doubt that Toyota will release an AWD version. conflict of interest. Maybe after the success of the FT-86....they may (hmm..5+ yrs) make a AWD concept. I'm sure the Subaru will be pretty nice. It is for sure a good era for the car again from Japan.

ra23celica · 02-22-2010, 09:59 PM

I don't think that anything else like this will come along ever again, let alone in 5 years time. The world is changing so much that the window of opportunity for this car is right now, in 5 years we could all be hovering around on electric frisbees for all we know. This could well be the last chance that we get to buy a lightweight RWD sports car... so lets support it 100%.

G4BROKE · 02-23-2010, 02:07 PM

Yeah, I know what you're saying ra23celica...you'll more likely correct.......I believe Subaru is tight on their AWD system and likely won't expose it w/ Toyota - they spent a lot of years on it. I mention 5yrs so then maybe Subaru would like to continue the sales profits of the joint verture. I originally didn't believe that Toyota would do a AWD for their cars again, but I'm starting to believe they'll get back into it but not full-time as Subaru. I do believe they would improve on the system but not sure how and if they would be successful. It's really all speculation on my part.

I would like to see AWD toyotas again....But I have a Subaru now and know of all it's short comings compared to the toyotas that I once knew........unlike all the current toyo problems today.

ra23celica · 02-23-2010, 02:59 PM

I understand where you are coming from G4Broke. I drove the first ST185R GT-4 Celica to be released in my home State as well as having driven a ST205R GT-4. I have a soft stop for 4WD performance Toyota's as well. But, I think the world has changed and we are not ever going to see the development of those kinds of small volume 'niche' chassis cars (and engines) ever again.

Cwrigh25 · 02-23-2010, 07:14 PM

Showing age in 3...2....1...

So what models of Toyota's were AWD?

ej25ti · 02-23-2010, 07:42 PM

Well even the new cars theyre coming out with are AWD, like the new Venza.
I actually wouldn't be too surprised if Toyota did offer an AWD version

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Cwrigh25 Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2009 Age: 22 Posts: 286	^No Suby love either? __________________

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Exitspeed Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Shadow Complex Age: 30 Posts: 237	No Suby love here either. I want the Toyota version. And it doesn't have to have Suby's best engine either. Low weight and balance are more important to me. __________________

02-01-2010, 09:04 PM	#7 (permalink)
ra23celica Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Perth Western Australia Posts: 73	I still believe that Toyota are going to release a turbo version of the FT-86 as well as the NA.

02-02-2010, 11:15 AM	#8 (permalink)
ProZach626 Newbie Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: St. Louis Posts: 16	I'm more interested in the subtle curves of the toyota, as long as it has enough power. I'm not looking for anything crazy.

02-02-2010, 10:14 PM	#10 (permalink)
scoobie Newbie Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 17	Im sad to say this, but based on recent news. I honestly don't think Subaru will be releasing a 086a/216a... This car is going to be the hottest thing on planet earth, does there need to be two versions? Im still hoping for a Subie variant, but Toyota has moistened my panties.

02-04-2010, 12:09 AM	#12 (permalink)
ej25ti Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Russia/Boston/Florida Posts: 103	yes to the original question but i really damn hope they come out with the scoob __________________ 05' STi

02-04-2010, 01:41 PM	#13 (permalink)
Cwrigh25 Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2009 Age: 22 Posts: 286	^Likewise. Subies have been looking better and better these days. I saw a silver STI at work today that was pretty hot. __________________

02-16-2010, 09:54 AM	#17 (permalink)
Cwrigh25 Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2009 Age: 22 Posts: 286	Upon searching the almighty googles. I found that piston slap error you referred to. I'm sure Toyota is fully aware of this and made sure they used stronger pistons. If not then like you said it will be disastrous for Toyota. __________________

02-16-2010, 06:13 PM	#19 (permalink)
G4BROKE Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Connecticut Posts: 49	The engines 04/05 had forged pistons but Subaru phase them out due to engine noise and other factors. They went with cast pistons (not sure about the 06)...and all the trouble came with the ringlands! I believe there is a chance they had redesigned the ringlands differently for the current year, but I don't know and can't confirm. Well, I have forged pistons so I'm relieved.

02-19-2010, 12:32 AM	#20 (permalink)
ra23celica Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Perth Western Australia Posts: 73	Toyota would be foolish not to release this car in the US. Some of the highest volumes of its sports cars (MR2/Celica/Supra) were sold in the land of the free. After all the bad press about the recalls, Toyota desperately needs this car to restore the faith lost and bring new hope into its showrooms...

02-20-2010, 07:46 AM	#22 (permalink)
HyperFX Newbie Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: New Jersey Age: 30 Posts: 27	I really hope they release a subie as well. There are some individuals like myself who live in snowy areas. An awd vehicle would seem sensible. If not, can a toyota release an awd version?

02-20-2010, 05:09 PM	#23 (permalink)
ra23celica Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Perth Western Australia Posts: 73	I wonder if Toyota has enough 'power' with its part ownership of Subaru to say "No Mr Subaru, you are not releasing a version of this car"???

02-22-2010, 09:59 PM	#26 (permalink)
ra23celica Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Perth Western Australia Posts: 73	I don't think that anything else like this will come along ever again, let alone in 5 years time. The world is changing so much that the window of opportunity for this car is right now, in 5 years we could all be hovering around on electric frisbees for all we know. This could well be the last chance that we get to buy a lightweight RWD sports car... so lets support it 100%.

02-23-2010, 02:07 PM	#27 (permalink)
G4BROKE Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Connecticut Posts: 49	Yeah, I know what you're saying ra23celica...you'll more likely correct.......I believe Subaru is tight on their AWD system and likely won't expose it w/ Toyota - they spent a lot of years on it. I mention 5yrs so then maybe Subaru would like to continue the sales profits of the joint verture. I originally didn't believe that Toyota would do a AWD for their cars again, but I'm starting to believe they'll get back into it but not full-time as Subaru. I do believe they would improve on the system but not sure how and if they would be successful. It's really all speculation on my part. I would like to see AWD toyotas again....But I have a Subaru now and know of all it's short comings compared to the toyotas that I once knew........unlike all the current toyo problems today. Last edited by G4BROKE; 02-25-2010 at 06:25 PM..

02-23-2010, 02:59 PM	#28 (permalink)
ra23celica Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Perth Western Australia Posts: 73	I understand where you are coming from G4Broke. I drove the first ST185R GT-4 Celica to be released in my home State as well as having driven a ST205R GT-4. I have a soft stop for 4WD performance Toyota's as well. But, I think the world has changed and we are not ever going to see the development of those kinds of small volume 'niche' chassis cars (and engines) ever again.

02-23-2010, 07:14 PM	#29 (permalink)
Cwrigh25 Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2009 Age: 22 Posts: 286	Showing age in 3...2....1... So what models of Toyota's were AWD? __________________

02-23-2010, 07:42 PM	#30 (permalink)
ej25ti Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Russia/Boston/Florida Posts: 103	Well even the new cars theyre coming out with are AWD, like the new Venza. I actually wouldn't be too surprised if Toyota did offer an AWD version __________________ 05' STi

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