Toyota Celica or Scion tC? Toyota reportedly deliberating over production FT-86 namep

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Although the Toyota FT-86, freshly unveiled at the Tokyo Motor Show, is billed strictly as a concept car, we're fully expecting the rear-wheel-drive coupe to foreshadow a new production car from Toyota. The question on everyone's lips, then, is what Toyota will call the final version when it hits the market.

Some reports are indicating that Toyota will revive the Celica nameplate, a name which still carries a certain following among Japanese sportscar fans even though it hasn't been used in four years. Other reports are suggest that when the production FT-86 reaches American shores, it will act as a replacement for the current Scion tC. Both the models, in their last iterations, were front-drive models, but that may not be a factor in determining the vehicle's name.

So which is true? Only time will tell, but both reports could ultimately prove accurate. Even if Toyota does decide to badge the FT-86 a Scion, the youth-oriented brand is only active in the North American market, meaning that the Japanese automaker will still need another name for use in its domestic market and others overseas. Which name would appeal to you more? Share your thoughts in the comments section below.

Toyota Celica or Scion tC? Toyota reportedly deliberating over production FT-86 nameplate — Autoblog

I'd like it to be called a Celica over Tc. Tc doesn't mean shit to me. Celica's at one point at least were awesome ass cars.

[West]

Celica would make sense considering its been offered in a AWD platform, although that might not happen with Toyota's offering. Celica was once a respectable name, still can be. However the previous generation did alot to damage that.

Personally I will be VERY disappointed if it comes via a Scion badge. This should be the car to put TOYOTA back on the map. Scion owners wouldn't know what they are getting with the FT-86.

[Exitspeed]

Celica would make sense considering its been offered in a AWD platform, although that might not happen with Toyota's offering. Celica was once a respectable name, still can be. However the previous generation did alot to damage that.

Personally I will be VERY disappointed if it comes via a Scion badge. This should be the car to put TOYOTA back on the map. Scion owners wouldn't know what they are getting with the FT-86.

Celica's were RWD back in the 70's and all the way to the mid 80's. It didn't switch to a FWD platform until like 85.

They could have a whole ad campaign about the car going back to it's roots.

[nowherefast]

Why not something completely new? This is obviously not a Celica or tC. Using the Scion badge, I think, would be very damaging to sales because I for one would not give it a second glance if I didn't already know about the concept.

[Cal]

I think this car is a bit too grown up for the TC market. It is not powerful enough to be a Supra, and Celica name has been butt fucked for the last few years. Hmm tough choices.

[Exitspeed]

I honestly don't give a shit what the name is or what badges it has.

[Cal]

Toyota Celica or Scion tC? Toyota reportedly deliberating over production FT-86 nameplate — Autoblog

I'd like it to be called a Celica over Tc. Tc doesn't mean shit to me. Celica's at one point at least were awesome ass cars.

I honestly don't give a shit what the name is or what badges it has.

Oh really now?

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Oh really now?

Ok I lie. haha

[West]

Wish they would just call it an Trueno.

[toayoztan]

I still would find it hard to call it either a celica or a corolla, trueno, whatever because of the flat 4 motor. I personally don't have a problem with them, but it wouldn't exactly be "reviving" the roots of Toyota. I wouldn't like the Scion badge either.

I agree, it should just be something new, but I still would prefer "new" under Toyota, not Scion.

Bryan

[Exitspeed]

I still would find it hard to call it either a celica or a corolla, trueno, whatever because of the flat 4 motor. I personally don't have a problem with them, but it wouldn't exactly be "reviving" the roots of Toyota. I wouldn't like the Scion badge either.

I agree, it should just be something new, but I still would prefer "new" under Toyota, not Scion.

Bryan

I don't think of a certain engine when I think of Celica. I don't think of a NA, or turbo. It's not like say a GTR that always had an inline 6. And obviously chassis wise it's never been specific either. It's been RWD, FWD, and AWD. Trueno means almost nothing to people in America other then enthusiasts. And this car won't have that narrow of a demographic.

I'd be happy with them just calling it a Toyota FT even though that doesn't mean anything to anyone.

In Japan though I can see it being called a Trueno. Which would be fine too. It would give us guys in the US a chance to rebadge the car right away.

[Cal]

I honestly think they should just call it the Ft-86. I can already here people saying stuff like "Man my 86 will ass rape your shit box SR".

[SUPRAtruc2JZGE]

Wish they would just call it an Trueno.

BINGO!!! Regardless if I own one I will still put Trueno regardless...Im ok with Celica but naaaah... lmao!!

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Ok ladies & gentlemen. I heard that the Scion tC had a slight redesign starting 2011. So that means we are safe! I believe the FT 86 will really debut as a Toyota now the Scion cat's out of the bag!
New York 2010: 2011 Scion tC Revealed in New Spy Photo… Sort of : Auto News

[West]

Ok ladies & gentlemen. I heard that the Scion tC had a slight redesign starting 2011. So that means we are safe! I believe the FT 86 will really debut as a Toyota now the Scion cat's out of the bag!
New York 2010: 2011 Scion tC Revealed in New Spy Photo… Sort of : Auto News

We already covered it here: Toyota FT-86 wont be a Scion tC, thankfully

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Lol thanks West! I was so excited I over posted.

[Nemesis]

Wish they would just call it an Trueno.

I would rather Trueno then Celica. Trueno has no negative background in the US. The average person would buy it and think the name was new, then research and find it had racing history...not bad. I think it also would be a good idea to go with something new. Not everything that is awesome needs to play off of an established nameplate.

[West]

I like to see all these rumors come to light. Next up, AWD Subaru. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE.

[Nemesis]

I like to see all these rumors come to light. Next up, AWD Subaru. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE.

I'm thinking the next rumor will be a 4-door variant with t-tops...? Or maybe a crossover version with a spare on the rear? No, I'm betting they're cooperating with Bugatti to make the world's first under 25k over 200 mph sports car! - The SFT-86

[ej25ti]

I don't think of a certain engine when I think of Celica. I don't think of a NA, or turbo. It's not like say a GTR that always had an inline 6

except the r35 is a v6 =/
but i think of the better I6's before it anyway
rb's FTW

I6's have been my favorite engines, RB, 2J, E46 M3 I6
I6 > V8 all day
mmm

[ra23celica]

I have an I6 1G-GZE engine in my 1976 RA23 Celica. I like a good in-line 6 as well. For non-Toyota people, the 1G is a 2 litre I6 made by Toyota in the mid-80's and the precursor to the awesome 1J/2J series. The 1G was available in either a twin turbo or superchargered configuration. Nice.

[ej25ti]

looks like everyone wants Trueno... hmm

[West]

looks like everyone wants Trueno... hmm

Which is technically called the Sprinter Trueno.

Toyota just needs to pick its direction and set a path, there are a billion avenues to go down. Any of them will upset a specific crowd, then they will forget/forgive and move on.

I hope they stick to their roots.

[TooSlo]

I don't think of a certain engine when I think of Celica.

I'm sorry, but I had to register on this forum just to refute this comment.

The Celica (during it's hayday) was most notably running variations of the 3S engines, either the milder 3S-GE or the WRC homogulation 3S-GTE.

These motors were huge strides forward in small displacement performance. You should really check out this link to see how much the 3S-GE helped out the small car market, then this link to understand how incredible a motor the Celica really ran considering it's two decades of use through various trims.

That's like saying the B and D series motors weren't really defining motors in the Civic.

Fuck, look around for some pictures to show the wife and I get sucked into the internets. Damn you Al Gore!

[Nemesis]

So the previous engine in the celica, also used in the MR2 G, and only in Japan made 197HP back in '99. This was never brought to the US and I am sure this is why Americans don't see this the same way. The US only saw 180(est). Our 200hp engine was in the MR2 turbo.
It does kind of make you wonder why a 2.0 liter boxer can't make more then 170-200hp when a 2.0 4-cylinder made 198hp over a decade ago....

[ra23celica]

Driveability versus efficiency versus economy versus performance versus cost. Where exactly does Toyota fit this engine into that equation? Anywhere you have more of one thing, you are going to have less of all the others.

[Cal]

Driveability versus efficiency versus economy versus performance versus cost. Where exactly does Toyota fit this engine into that equation? Anywhere you have more of one thing, you are going to have less of all the others.

Make the engine have lots of drive-ability and run efficient, give it medium economy and medium power. There you have a fun car that isn't the fastet thing out there but by no means is it slow and it can handle pretty good. However, make sure to give it a lot of potential.


Now enter the aftermarket.

You can boost all variables except economy, but if you are the type to turn to aftermarket what does gas mileage mean to you anyways?


To give examples think of the Nissan Silvia (not the 240sx) and the Toyota Supra. In stock forms these cars were pretty good for their classes. However with a few aftermarket (fmic, exhaust, injectors, rom tune) parts, these cars became beasts of their brands.

[West]

This car will be a blend of both, just the 3S in the AE86's. Its considered weaksauce in most eyes, however it plays into the dynamics of the car. Just as Cwrigh25 said, its going to spawn a huge aftermarket.

The one thing we can almost bet on is the FT-86 will do 0-60 in 6.1 seconds and redlines at 8500 RPM, at least if we consider GT5 a good source

For comparison (with a grain of salt):
WRX (early gen) 5.2sec 0-60
350z = 5.1sec 0-60
240sx = 8.0sec 0-60

I think the stock form will hit its intended market perfectly. Even if one is a tree hugger.

[Nemesis]

I'm not going to make a big fuss over the N/A version, but the turbo better have a 0-60 of 5.5 or better. 6.1 isn't bad at all for a N/A 2.0 liter engine, but I will expect a turbo performer from toyota. Keep in mind that the last celica GTS(non-turbo) claimed 6.8 0-60, Gran Turismo had it around 6.5, but when I drove the GTS 6-spd manual: it felt like it was a 6.8 ONLY when you literally pushed the rpms up to around 6800-7800. Not cool. The rest of the time it felt weaker then my wifes 93 corolla. I don't want to have to rev the heck out of it...I'd prefer a low end torque engine to a high reving engine any day. That's why the 240sx did so well. On paper it was not much more impressive then a maxima. But when you drove it, the up front torque was impressive.

I know I speak for myself on this one, but I just want to put it out there for Toyota to see when they scan the websites.

[corry29]

Registered just for this.

To be honest, I don't think it is going to be Celica or TC,
FT-86 right? Supposedly the successor of the AE86? Well, if I recall, the AE86, aka the Trueno/Levin were all variations under the Corolla line. and I'm pretty sure, the Corolla and the Celica are not on the same level of Toyotas. TC is the successor of the Celica, and the TC just got a redesign, look it up, it looks like a mini Avalon coupe. That design is bound to stay for another five years, and in five years, I'm guessing the FT-86 would be out already while the new (then old) TC would still be there and would have a few more years to go.

If there is still any common sense for Toyota, the FT-86 would most likely be plated as the returning Trueno/Levin and would take the spot in the Toyota line as the coupe version of the Corolla S. After all that's what the AE86 was right? The coupe version of the Corolla. I'm sure Toyota would not have build up all this hype to name it a Coroala S or XRS. I seriously think and hope they are bringing back the nameplate of the Trueno/Levin. It's like how the Matrix is basically the hatchback version of the Corolla, or the Solara is the coupe version of the Camry. The FT-86 would most likely be the coupe version of the Corolla.

Unless Toyota does a complete work of stupidity and names the the TC (aka successor of the Celica).


Here is some pictures of the latest Trueno/Levin