inline 4 vs flat 4

[Ikera]

I am big fan of RWD cars

Correct me if I'm wrong on what I thought FT-86 suppose to be.

It suppose to be a lot like the original Toyota 86. Affordable, RWD, good engine with a lot of tuning potential and light weight. That what made it a really good drift car. An other good drift car is RPS13 which has all of the same qualities.

anyway to the point, ej25 is a kick ass engine!! but you need a good budget to tune it, it is a lot more complex than inline 4 you have a lot more moving parts. The engine has 2 heads FFS.

If you want low center of gravity car go buy a WRX STI, from what it looks like they just made next gen WRX STI. and NOT next get 86.

Does anyone feel the same way?

[West]

I am big fan of RWD cars

Correct me if I'm wrong on what I thought FT-86 suppose to be.

It suppose to be a lot like the original Toyota 86. Affordable, RWD, good engine with a lot of tuning potential and light weight. That what made it a really good drift car. An other good drift car is RPS13 which has all of the same qualities.

anyway to the point, ej25 is a kick ass engine!! but you need a good budget to tune it, it is a lot more complex than inline 4 you have a lot more moving parts. The engine has 2 heads FFS.

If you want low center of gravity car go buy a WRX STI, from what it looks like they just made next gen WRX STI. and NOT next get 86.

Does anyone feel the same way?

I dont feel that way at all, the center of gravity on this car will be much lower than a WRX, and not to mention extremely less top heavy. Subaru may in fact release it as AWD, I have heard RWD/AWD from several sources, although my Scion sources say AWD.

The engine is awesome, notably for its simplicity. The inline 4 is good, but for todays cars its near a dying bread amongst sports cars.

The car will hold true to the AE86 in many regards, but with a mix of todays standards. We aren't going to see another s13 or AE86 anytime soon, this car will be smaller than the s13 and more powerful. I think their direction of the FT-86 is exactly what I want in a sports car of today.

The possibility of this car being the next s13/AE86 is very high due to the car being a Toyota in non US markets. Engine options, part compatibility potential across all cars (Subaru/Scion/Toyota) should be very high. I hope!

[ej25ti]

I am big fan of RWD cars

Correct me if I'm wrong on what I thought FT-86 suppose to be.

It suppose to be a lot like the original Toyota 86. Affordable, RWD, good engine with a lot of tuning potential and light weight. That what made it a really good drift car. An other good drift car is RPS13 which has all of the same qualities.

anyway to the point, ej25 is a kick ass engine!! but you need a good budget to tune it, it is a lot more complex than inline 4 you have a lot more moving parts. The engine has 2 heads FFS.

If you want low center of gravity car go buy a WRX STI, from what it looks like they just made next gen WRX STI. and NOT next get 86.

Does anyone feel the same way?

buy a Hyundai Genesis coupe?

[bryantb2]

i think that the TES t sport is closer to the original 86 with its fr inline 4 layout it has a short wheelbase and light weight and i dont know how much power you can make out of a 1.3 inline 4 but the ae86 didnt come with alot of power to start with either

[Ikera]

I dont feel that way at all, the center of gravity on this car will be much lower than a WRX, and not to mention extremely less top heavy. Subaru may in fact release it as AWD, I have heard RWD/AWD from several sources, although my Scion sources say AWD.

The engine is awesome, notably for its simplicity. The inline 4 is good, but for todays cars its near a dying bread amongst sports cars.

The car will hold true to the AE86 in many regards, but with a mix of todays standards. We aren't going to see another s13 or AE86 anytime soon, this car will be smaller than the s13 and more powerful. I think their direction of the FT-86 is exactly what I want in a sports car of today.

The possibility of this car being the next s13/AE86 is very high due to the car being a Toyota in non US markets. Engine options, part compatibility potential across all cars (Subaru/Scion/Toyota) should be very high. I hope!

I see what you are saying.

this could be a really awesome car, and it's what everybody wants in today's sport car. But is this what HIROMU NARUSE wanted? I wouldn't be disappointed if they didn't call it FT-86.

I think Altezza is closer to the title "AE86" than this FT-86

and Toyota TES t sport looks like next MX-5 released by Toyota

[ej25ti]

I see what you are saying.

this could be a really awesome car, and it's what everybody wants in today's sport car. But is this what HIROMU NARUSE wanted? I wouldn't be disappointed if they didn't call it FT-86.

I think Altezza is closer to the title "AE86" than this FT-86

and Toyota TES t sport looks like next MX-5 released by Toyota

i dont really understand why youre disappointed
i guess u dont have to be anymore, theyre not gonna call it the ft86 lol, it's gonna be the scion ft-s
and i dont really see the connection between altezza and ae86
anyway

[ProZach626]

I don't see how this car is just a next generation MX-5. MX-5 is a small displacement 2 seater convertible. The FT-S is going to be a large displacement (for a 4 cylinger) non convertible 4 seater. I suppose I see where you're coming from, but if anything I would put this car between the MX-5 and the Honda S2k, but probably closer to the S2k, especially with the turbo option.

Either way - 4 seats, non convertible.

[linkwpc]

All I know is that the flat 4 sounds so much better!

[Terrari]

I don't see how this car is just a next generation MX-5. MX-5 is a small displacement 2 seater convertible. The FT-S is going to be a large displacement (for a 4 cylinger) non convertible 4 seater. I suppose I see where you're coming from, but if anything I would put this car between the MX-5 and the Honda S2k, but probably closer to the S2k, especially with the turbo option.

Either way - 4 seats, non convertible.

This car will be a direct competitor to the Honda CR-Z.

[ej25ti]

This car will be a direct competitor to the Honda CR-Z.

im not sure the ft-s is really gonna get the mpg's it needs to be comparable with a fwd hybrid...
though it will be a cheap 2-door so i guess
for dumb people that dont know or dont care about fwd vs rwd

[HakosukaBunta]

i dont really see the connection between altezza and ae86
anyway

Because Mr. Tsuchiya-san aka drift king said so, hahaha. Seriously though, he actually did when testing the TRD version. Having owned both I'd have to agree with Ikera somewhat. He didn't say that it was the next gen 86 but, "closer to the title".

[ej25ti]

Because Mr. Tsuchiya-san aka drift king said so, hahaha. Seriously though, he actually did when testing the TRD version. Having owned both I'd have to agree with Ikera somewhat. He didn't say that it was the next gen 86 but, "closer to the title".

i owned an altezza myself, and my roommate has an 86 now

[HakosukaBunta]

i owned an altezza myself, and my roommate has an 86 now

I know you did, remember your old post?

JCE-10 or SXE-10? If your referring to IS vs Altezza, not entirely the same my friend. Both have entirely different engines, 3S Japan and 2J USA, and minor tidbits but I bet you already knew that... The Yamaha tuned 3S/RS200 is more in spirit with the 86 due to the light-weightiness, better handling, and affordability from those guys in Japan who couldn't source an 86.

One of the many comparos of the two below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDHc4VXKvl4

[Ikera]

Because Mr. Tsuchiya-san aka drift king said so, hahaha. Seriously though, he actually did when testing the TRD version. Having owned both I'd have to agree with Ikera somewhat. He didn't say that it was the next gen 86 but, "closer to the title".

hahah that's awesome, I didn't know that

[HakosukaBunta]

hahah that's awesome, I didn't know that

And if you don't know, now you know... It is awesome right!?I don't agree with you however about this thing not being the successor to the 86 when Toyota said it will be. People cry now because it's going to be a Scion but this will change everything. If it does it's job and does it well, people will be on it. As far as appealing to the real hardcore budget drifters, the concept will be a no go because of the price. So I guess in a value to performance standpoint, this will not succeed the 86 as they are more of a backyard special. We'll just have to wait and see what my 4 year old brothers generation says about this car.


I mean come on. I laugh to myself because I know of so many people here in America who wouldn't have given an 86 Corolla any consideration back in 1998... Now look at all the Dickryders and inflation! I mean come on? Conformity is inevitable.


It wasn't till the ever so popular/hype drift came onto the "scene" or let me rephrase myself, became whored. This is why I shyed away from drifting back in 04 and after that damn movie came out. I knew it was going to be over once Tokyo Drift came out... Just like it was all over after the First F&F move. I was greatfull for a moment that people were actually starting to drift and not just fronting with a 240sx but now, it's blown to proportion. Drifting is referenced in cartoons and mass media. Turn on the TV and I bet you won't find a car chase scene without a pointless power slide.

I personally like things underground and please excuse my little bitch fit, hahahaha.

[ej25ti]

I know you did, remember your old post?

JCE-10 or SXE-10? If your referring to IS vs Altezza, not entirely the same my friend. Both have entirely different engines, 3S Japan and 2J USA, and minor tidbits but I bet you already knew that... The Yamaha tuned 3S/RS200 is more in spirit with the 86 due to the light-weightiness, better handling, and affordability from those guys in Japan who couldn't source an 86.

One of the many comparos of the two below:

YouTube - Toyota Altezza (SXE10) v. Toyota Sprinter Trueno (AE86)

Well then yes I was referring to the IS and not Altezza, as cool as it would have been to have an actual Altezza. The 3S' were pretty cool engines for their time, but the 2j's certainly had the potential. So yes in that aspect I would agree 200's had similarities to the ae86's. Damn I just wasted an hour watching turbo IS videos on youtube haha, fukk I miss mine!

[HakosukaBunta]

Well then yes I was referring to the IS and not Altezza, as cool as it would have been to have an actual Altezza. The 3S' were pretty cool engines for their time, but the 2j's certainly had the potential. So yes in that aspect I would agree 200's had similarities to the ae86's. Damn I just wasted an hour watching turbo IS videos on youtube haha, fukk I miss mine!

Indeed they are. 2JZ are Toyota's the answer to RBs! Now they need to answer that new GT-R, Hahahaha. Nice! Wait a couple more years and pick another one up! Have fun watching! ahahaha

[Ikera]

And if you don't know, now you know... It is awesome right!?I don't agree with you however about this thing not being the successor to the 86 when Toyota said it will be. People cry now because it's going to be a Scion but this will change everything. If it does it's job and does it well, people will be on it. As far as appealing to the real hardcore budget drifters, the concept will be a no go because of the price. So I guess in a value to performance standpoint, this will not succeed the 86 as they are more of a backyard special. We'll just have to wait and see what my 4 year old brothers generation says about this car.


I mean come on. I laugh to myself because I know of so many people here in America who wouldn't have given an 86 Corolla any consideration back in 1998... Now look at all the Dickryders and inflation! I mean come on? Conformity is inevitable.

Good points, at least it looks like you know what you talking about. Unlike some people here.

All I know is that the flat 4 sounds so much better!

[ej25ti]

Good points, at least it looks like you know what you talking about. Unlike some people here.

im not really sure what you are so upset about except for the fact that the ae86 didnt have a flat 4 and now the new Scion is going to...
in every other aspect it's going to have everything you wanted in the 86
affordable, light-weight, and RWD

[HakosukaBunta]

Good points, at least it looks like you know what you talking about. Unlike some people here.

Hahahahaha. Your my new best friend!

[bryantb2]

im not really sure what you are so upset about except for the fact that the ae86 didnt have a flat 4 and now the new Scion is going to...
in every other aspect it's going to have everything you wanted in the 86
affordable, light-weight, and RWD

you call mid 20ks affordable?

[Run]

This car will be a direct competitor to the Honda CR-Z.

FWD + Hybrid VS RWD + Boxer = No competition

FT-S wins

[HakosukaBunta]

FWD + Hybrid VS RWD + Boxer = No competition

FT-S wins

Are you forgetting the NA version they're releasing and the rumored Type R? Since they won't be selling the Civic in Japan any longer I believe the Type R CR-Z is more than likely.

Although we all wish we can say that, it's too early to talk.

[ej25ti]

you call mid 20ks affordable?

unless there is a RWD coupe under $20k im unaware of?
and compared to 370z's, RX-8s, and s2000s, yes

[Toyoriffic]

How will this car handle the heavy snows of the northern Idaho panhandle? RWD cars are traditionally the worst snow handlers.

[ra23celica]

Nothing is better than a 4WD in the snow, so you will want the AWD version of this car from Subaru. But its launch is likely to be some time after the RWD version from Toyota.

[ryun84]

Nothing is better than a 4WD in the snow, so you will want the AWD version of this car from Subaru. But its launch is likely to be some time after the RWD version from Toyota.

Wait. Is this official? Didn't know that there would be an AWD version of the FT to be produced for certain.

[HakosukaBunta]

Lot of people like to go off topic in his Forum... Mods? Hahaha

[ej25ti]

Lot of people like to go off topic in his Forum... Mods? Hahaha

If it becomes a problem we'll usually move it, but otherwise we are mainly here help those with questions, and stop spamming and bashing.

[drperry]

How will this car handle the heavy snows of the northern Idaho panhandle? RWD cars are traditionally the worst snow handlers.

A properly balanced RWD will do just as well as an FWD in the snow.

I never use the 4x4 on the roads with my Blazer, and my 2WD S10 (open diff) I had before the Blazer, with a couple sand bags in the back, easilly handled over 1 foot of snow.

Low COG + LSD = RWD snow plow.

....as long as you're a decent driver.

The flat 4 will help winter performance