Rumors are flying about Turbo model

[West]

So recent news is spreading about a turbo EJ25 STi edition of the 086a seen below. I find that doubtful considering the use of an EJ motor, unless Subaru is in fact going to use its own motor in the Subaru model 086a. So far from what I gather the "D-4S" is simply a Toyota technology created in 2003 which uses Direct Injection. I guess at this point we really can only speculate on what motor will be used. I sure hope they both have Turbo model STi's and TRD's. Nothing like the added benefits down the road of being able to do motor swaps from local or imported motors.

[Exitspeed]

I'd rather it be NA. A inexpensive aftermarket turbo option would be cool, but NA is fine with me.

[West]

Yea, the setups available for this car will be plentiful, lots of options to fab your own. I want a small twin turbo setup for instant response.

[FT-Omnom]

Subaru engines cost to much money quality parts tend to come with a hefty price tag.

[soulska]

I say forced!!! then again im biased. Yes suby parts are more expensive, but it is expected when you move up to a better platform. engines are more solid, internals are better to take the turbo. I really hope the STi version becomes a reality cuz Subaru has not had a coupe since the good ol GC.... God I love the GC8

[West]

I once owned a GC8 4 door, loved it Never got to mod it though, it was hit and totaled *sniff*

[Jason]

Although it's not really reported, I get the feeling Subaru will make it's version quite different, possibly even with AWD. If so I'll want both cars!

[West]

That would be a badass setup for me since I live in Colorado, AWD for snow days and RWD for the nice weather. Now I just need to save up $50k.

Hmmm, three FT-86/086a's or a GT-R........ yea ill take the toyobaru's

[ej25ti]

The subaru model could be the ... 22c? :P
mmm 22b

seriously though, im thinkin VF-34!

[Commandod9]

From what i am hearing since i work at a subaru dealer and my best friend works at a toyota dealer we both are hearing that it is going to be a subaru engine they just dont know which one they are going to use since we have 3 different ones we can put in there. From what he is hearing on his side is that the first year it is going to be a non turbo for the toyota side but subaru alwayz has at least one turbo model in the line up and it is suppose to take out the impreza sti and they are going to replace it with subaru 086a

[ej25ti]

Originally Posted by Commandod9

take out the impreza sti and they are going to replace it with subaru 086a

that better not be the case! 0_o

[Exitspeed]

Originally Posted by Commandod9

From what i am hearing since i work at a subaru dealer and my best friend works at a toyota dealer we both are hearing that it is going to be a subaru engine they just dont know which one they are going to use since we have 3 different ones we can put in there. From what he is hearing on his side is that the first year it is going to be a non turbo for the toyota side but subaru alwayz has at least one turbo model in the line up and it is suppose to take out the impreza sti and they are going to replace it with subaru 086a

Originally Posted by ej25ti

that better not be the case! 0_o

Yeah I don't see them replacing the sti with this coupe. That's just not logical.

And I'm fine with a NA Toyota version the first year. Bring it on.

[deltableh]

I've heard rumors that the STi version will come with the EJ207! JDM STi motor, twin scroll turbo and an 8,000RPM redline. Same power and torque as the EJ257, too!

[Exitspeed]

Originally Posted by deltableh

I've heard rumors that the STi version will come with the EJ207! JDM STi motor, twin scroll turbo and an 8,000RPM redline. Same power and torque as the EJ257, too!

Annnd where have you heard these so called rumors?

[RollaMonster]

im hoping that if they make an awd model that they would turbo the motor or use a stronger motor at least cause with the light weight of the car and the low amount of torque that motor trend claimed they would be using could cause an awd system to either hinder performance of make for a more expensive lightened awd system. i say keep it NA, rear wheel drive, and affordable.

[ej25ti]

Originally Posted by deltableh

I've heard rumors that the STi version will come with the EJ207! JDM STi motor, twin scroll turbo and an 8,000RPM redline. Same power and torque as the EJ257, too!

...idk I kinda dobut they'd use the EJ207. but thats jus me

Originally Posted by RollaMonster

im hoping that if they make an awd model that they would turbo the motor or use a stronger motor at least cause with the light weight of the car and the low amount of torque that motor trend claimed they would be using could cause an awd system to either hinder performance of make for a more expensive lightened awd system. i say keep it NA, rear wheel drive, and affordable.

plans as of now seem that the Toyota version will be NA RWD and theyre going to make a Subaru version with AWD and probably thhe EJ25 (turbo) so...

[dsycks]

Suby will not make this car AWD... how can it?

Please note that they would need to come up with a fully different system of AWD as their transmission packaging simply will not allow it as it stands in this chassis. This would make the car VERY expensive and not viable.

In addition, Suby will NOT make a car that can beat its WRX STi. As such the most you can expect is WRX power and not STi power. I actually have doubts about any turbo that is not placed there by the aftermarket.

Speaking of the aftermarket... they will take care of the turbo for you. 400+hp cars will be on tap within 6 months of launch.

[West]

Originally Posted by dsycks

Suby will not make this car AWD... how can it?

Please note that they would need to come up with a fully different system of AWD as their transmission packaging simply will not allow it as it stands in this chassis. This would make the car VERY expensive and not viable.

In addition, Suby will NOT make a car that can beat its WRX STi. As such the most you can expect is WRX power and not STi power. I actually have doubts about any turbo that is not placed there by the aftermarket.

Speaking of the aftermarket... they will take care of the turbo for you. 400+hp cars will be on tap within 6 months of launch.

Well said (again) You get new member of the month award

Think about how the engine has been placed further in the engine bay of the FT-86. AWD from might require more work than Subaru would want to invest in. Although the flipside would mean the car would indeed be unique. That all depends if they can fit the AWD components in the already compact bay.

Good point on the STi. They could brand this car as an STi, but knowing the rumored specs of an STi model it sounds like it would already whoop the STi, simply because its weight. Even if the STi is a far suprior in terms of technology. At least it would put to rest the constant whine of the "Top Heavy" WRX/STi.

Aftermarket is already in a tizzy for this car, but please bring a factory turbo Toyota/Subaru!!

[dsycks]

Factory turbo no matter how watered down would make the aftermarket for this car huge. You can always swap turbos and injectors, do an intake and exhaust and put up big numbers with the right tune but if the short block and the trans are not up to the task its all but pointless.

Just give the tuners a solid foundation and the ability to turn up the wick and they will make monsters, void warranties and make the car a legend.

[Cwrigh25]

Dsycks you really know your stuff and I must agree. The powerplant on these cars needs to be able to handle a lot in stock form without having to get down into the bottom end of the block.

If it ships NA, it doesn't need some high ass compression ratio (11:1) that will
make the car into a time bomb once boost is added.

I would hope that when building this Toyota will think about how beastly the
2J engines were and build this motor accordingly and make sure Subaru does the same on their end of it

[dsycks]

Originally Posted by Cwrigh25

If it ships NA, it doesn't need some high ass compression ratio (11:1) that will make the car into a time bomb once boost is added.

After I read what I read I am sorry that I did not make my point more clear.

I think another part of my statement above is that the motor would pretty well need to be in some sort of turbo form from the factory to make a lower compression ratio and aftermarket monster format work. CR is part of the equation but its also about electronics and manifolds and ICs and packaging.

In the early 90s the Mazda guys made the Miata motor for a turbo (low CR and stout block and pistons) in NA form but anymore I am not sure a car can make emissions numbers by using the same strategy, less so in a heavier car.

If folks want to be a bit different with this car they can avoid the 2.5 and stick with the 2.0 or even cooler would be a 2.2l motor that will rev (square or over square please). They have lots of options in this build and a lot of ways to get to a great final product but sadly there are a lot of very common ways to screw it up as well.

[Cwrigh25]

Originally Posted by dsycks

After I read what I read I am sorry that I did not make my point more clear.

I think another part of my statement above is that the motor would pretty well need to be in some sort of turbo form from the factory to make a lower compression ratio and aftermarket monster format work. CR is part of the equation but its also about electronics and manifolds and ICs and packaging.

I think that it will, but I think that might be a few models that won't. Take the Nissan Silvia's in Japan for instance. The top of the line model came with a turbo I4 that had an 8:5:1 compression ration, but they had lower end models of the car that came NA and had higher ratios. I think this one will follow a similar format, so tons of people can go "oh how cute" and buy the lower end model leave the higher priced turbo models to us. That way they can still makes sales quota.

[dsycks]

Originally Posted by Cwrigh25

I think that it will, but I think that might be a few models that won't. Take the Nissan Silvia's in Japan for instance. The top of the line model came with a turbo I4 that had an 8:5:1 compression ration, but they had lower end models of the car that came NA and had higher ratios. I think this one will follow a similar format, so tons of people can go "oh how cute" and buy the lower end model leave the higher priced turbo models to us. That way they can still makes sales quota.

I'm good with that. I would like to see 5 levels of trim.

1) Base sport. NA, stick or slush box, ac, power, basic stereo, cloth and the like.

2) Premium. As above but with sunroof and high end touches like leather nav and such doodads.

3) Turbo Sport. Basic high-po version of the Base Sport car with lower compression turbo motor.

4) Premium Turbo. Same as Premium but with the turbo motor.

5) TRD, STI, RS, Club Racer. Striped out, hard core, light weight bada$$ with uprated suspension, brakes and sport seats. This should go well beyond what the turbo sport offers and if folks are really cool it will actually be cheaper as it will have less junk in it.

[Cwrigh25]

Originally Posted by dsycks

I'm good with that. I would like to see 5 levels of trim.

1) Base sport. NA, stick or slush box, ac, power, basic stereo, cloth and the like.

2) Premium. As above but with sunroof and high end touches like leather nav and such doodads.

3) Turbo Sport. Basic high-po version of the Base Sport car with lower compression turbo motor.

4) Premium Turbo. Same as Premium but with the turbo motor.

5) TRD, STI, RS, Club Racer. Striped out, hard core, light weight bada$$ with uprated suspension, brakes and sport seats. This should go well beyond what the turbo sport offers and if folks are really cool it will actually be cheaper as it will have less junk in it.

Agreed, I would gladly take the Turbo sport with a sunroof, nav and leather no thanks.

As far as sales and price

1) Base sport-2nd lowest price, highest sales of all, driven by a lot of women aka first to be in junkyards
2) Premium- same as turbo sport-driven by women and people who like cars for looks not performance aka weirdos
3) Turbo Sport-same price as premium car-where most car fans are going to fall, will tune car to stomp all over spoiled rich kids
4) Premium Turbo-highest model-the car spoiled rich kids will drive, 2nd for junkyard as spoiled kid tries to show off to friends
5) TRD, STI, RS, Club Racer- lowest price, lowest sales, driven by the hardcore, proven to add 0.5 inches to package. Douches who drive will quickly trade up as the lack of A/C makes their eye shadow run

[drperry]

Originally Posted by Cwrigh25

Agreed, I would gladly take the Turbo sport with a sunroof, nav and leather no thanks.

As far as sales and price

1) Base sport-2nd lowest price, highest sales of all, driven by a lot of women aka first to be in junkyards
2) Premium- same as turbo sport-driven by women and people who like cars for looks not performance aka weirdos
3) Turbo Sport-same price as premium car-where most car fans are going to fall, will tune car to stomp all over spoiled rich kids
4) Premium Turbo-highest model-the car spoiled rich kids will drive, 2nd for junkyard as spoiled kid tries to show off to friends
5) TRD, STI, RS, Club Racer- lowest price, lowest sales, driven by the hardcore, proven to add 0.5 inches to package. Douches who drive will quickly trade up as the lack of A/C makes their eye shadow run

Since when does enjoying not cooking my balls off in the summer make me a spoiled rich kid?

Leather seats ONLY if they're cooled!

[dsycks]

Heh... odd but true. The 2005 and 2006 Evo Rs had as its only nod to comfort... AC.

Car had no cruise control ffs but it had AC. Go figure.

[drperry]

I'd rather have AC than cruise!

There's nothing wrong with having options!
I'm looking for something good on fuel, and fun to drive, that's NOT front wheel drive...

I just hope I fit in the damned thing! lol

[dsycks]

My guess is that you would have to be VERY large to not fit in the car. Most makers cut interiors to fit 99% of drivers or more with most taking anything from 5' and 100lbs up to 6'5" or so and about 400lbs.

I actually know a guy who worked for Honda on interior and had to go to Japan two or three times a year. He hated it as he was about 6'5" and 350 so he would walk down the street and folks would stop and point like he was Godzilla. He HATED it. He ended up getting a job offer from Toyota and took it on the condition that he would be based in America and not have to go overseas. Poor bastard ended up in Japan 3 times in the first 6 months.

Mazda does a good job with this as well. Eric Burmeister works for them and also races the Mazdaspeed 3 Rally car and he is a great big Herman Munster looking guy as well. His mom is a sweetheart who bakes cookies for all the guys on his team and even feeds folks who he races against... thanks mama Burmeister!

Point being... unless you are at the far edges of the bell curve I think you are going to be ok. Sadly I am at one end and needing headroom for a lid may make this a spotty prospect. At the very least I will be taking my helmet with me before I sign papers!

[drperry]

Originally Posted by dsycks

My guess is that you would have to be VERY large to not fit in the car. Most makers cut interiors to fit 99% of drivers or more with most taking anything from 5' and 100lbs up to 6'5" or so and about 400lbs.

I actually know a guy who worked for Honda on interior and had to go to Japan two or three times a year. He hated it as he was about 6'5" and 350 so he would walk down the street and folks would stop and point like he was Godzilla. He HATED it. He ended up getting a job offer from Toyota and took it on the condition that he would be based in America and not have to go overseas. Poor bastard ended up in Japan 3 times in the first 6 months.

Mazda does a good job with this as well. Eric Burmeister works for them and also races the Mazdaspeed 3 Rally car and he is a great big Herman Munster looking guy as well. His mom is a sweetheart who bakes cookies for all the guys on his team and even feeds folks who he races against... thanks mama Burmeister!

Point being... unless you are at the far edges of the bell curve I think you are going to be ok. Sadly I am at one end and needing headroom for a lid may make this a spotty prospect. At the very least I will be taking my helmet with me before I sign papers!

It's not so much that I'm tall... I'm just weird
Though, I should look into a helmet... In case I ever find the nuts to hit up a track

On paper, I'll likely fit... I can't wait for the car to land in the dealership!

And hopefully, winter tires are affordable...

[Cwrigh25]

Originally Posted by drperry

Since when does enjoying not cooking my balls off in the summer make me a spoiled rich kid?

Leather seats ONLY if they're cooled!

I forgot to add "people with money" to that. A/C is necessary for life down here in GA. No leather for me, I can't stand the stuff. Cloth all the way.