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    Exclamation First Test Drives and Reviews of the Toyota FT-86

    The Toyota FT-86 has been out in drones the past few weeks. The usual rumors where ever increasing so one had to anticipate something good was coming. Well, that time is now. Toyota has apparently unleashed the marketers and the Toyota FT-86 has landed in the hands of CAR Magazine, as well as Autocar. Both took the car to the pad to test what we have all anxiously awaited for.

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    Autocar: Toyota FT-86 - Road Test First Drive - Autocar.co.uk
    What is it?
    We’ve been waiting a long time for the Toyota FT-86. Literally, because we’ve seen a lot of the concept. But figuratively, too: Toyota is promising the FT-86 will deliver a return to sports car purity that is driven by feel and intuition, not lap times and lateral grip levels. We’ve wanted a car like that for a long while.
    “Sports cars have gotten boring,” Toyota says. “They’re only interested in going fast.” The FT-86 is meant to amend that, to bring speeds down but take the enjoyment up, not unlike the Caterham 7 Supersport which we’ve fallen for recently.
    The FT-86 is on a new platform that has been co-developed with Subaru (whose Subaru BRZ will be distinctly similar). We still don’t have all the technical details because it’s some way from launch – sales start in June 2012, following the production car’s unveiling at the end of November 2011.
    What I can tell you is that it’s “as small as possible for a four-seater sports car,” which means it weighs 1280kg. It has a 2.0-litre flat-four petrol engine in the front, naturally aspirated, which is supplied by Subaru but gets Toyota’s D4-S direct injection system. It makes 197bhp.

    The key things to add are these: it drives the rear wheels through a six-speed manual gearbox and a Torsen limited-slip differential. And the tyres are the same modest 215/45 R17 items you’ll find on a Toyota Prius.

    Oh, and the ESP can be completely switched off.



    What’s it like?
    As much fun as you’d hope. I drove a disguised car on a deserted airfield last May (wasn’t supposed to be able to tell you about it until the end of November, but recent revelations have brought that forward a bit ), and it still makes me smile to think about it now.

    First impressions: it feels light and compact, a bit like an MX-5. The driving position is low, straight and snug, with grippy front seats (and not a lot of room in the back).

    The Toyota FT-86 feels quick enough, too, with a precise if a touch notchy gearchange, and an engine note that’s a bit growly – there’s not much flat-four burble. Tweaking the NVH is high on Toyota’s ‘to-do’ list. It has a broad power curve - it revs to 7500 but there’s no desperate need to wind it that far past the mid-range.

    It’s hard to accurately guage the ride on a concrete airfield, but the FT-86 feels quite deftly set-up, light on its feet, with a touch of tyre roar that’s to be expected.

    It steers easily too. At 2.5 turns lock-to-lock the steering’s quick without being hyperactive, and is light-to-middling in weight. It all adds to the impression that this is going to be an easy car to get along with.

    Find a corner and you’ll find some roll, but its rate is well contained. The FT-86’s weight distribution is 53/47 per cent front/rear, so it’ll nudge into steady-state understeer if you’re on a constant throttle, where it grips moderately well and is pleasingly poised.

    The great thing about the FT-86 though is, as promised, it really handles. It lets you choose how you want to corner. Add any amount of power and it’ll turn at least neutral. Trail the brakes into a bend, give a mid-corner throttle-lift or, well, just give the steering a bit of a bung and lots of throttle and it’ll either straighten its line or give you armfuls of oversteer, utterly as you prefer.
    There’s still a bit of tweaking to do on the damping, but it’s 90 per cent of the way there. As it is, in third gear the FT-86 will run out of power to keep a long slide going (if you like that sort of thing), so inevitably it takes momentum rather than power to play games with the chassis. But if you add more power to compensate then you’ll want a turbo and bigger stoppers too, and that adds weight, and, well – that’s where the downward spiral starts, right?

    “The key development for the FT-86 is that it’s a front-engined, rear-drive car with intuitive handling,” says Toyota.

    “A fun car is a car you can control. We rejected the idea of a car developed using numbers. It must have front-engine/rear-drive, a naturally-aspirated engine and a low centre of gravity.”



    Should I buy one?
    I suspect those who do won’t regret it. The Toyota FT-86 will need a change in attitude: this car’s not about delivering ultimate acceleration or lap times, it’s just about having fun.

    The FT-86’s modest limits and power mean that it should prove enjoyable on the road: you’ll be able to get more out of it, more often, than you could a much faster and more theoretically capable sports car, whose reward is more often than not limited by visibility and sensibility.

    It’d be terrific fun on a track day, too. It’s light enough to not wear out its consumables quickly and, while an FT-86 wouldn’t be the fastest way around a circuit, there aren’t too many cars out there – certainly not at its predicted £20k-odd price tag – that could put a bigger smile on their driver’s face.

    Matt Prior
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    Price: 20,000 (est); Top speed: n/a; 0-62mph: n/a; Economy: n/a; Co2: n/a; Kerbweight: 1280kg; Engine type: 2.0-litre, four-cylinder petrol; Power: 197bhp; Torque: n/a; Gearbox: six-speed manual
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    CAR Magazine: Toyota FT-86 coupe (2012) CAR review | Road Testing Reviews | Car Magazine Online

    On 20 May 2011, CAR was allowed behind the wheel of a Toyota FT-86 development mule to get our own driving impressions and to give feedback to Toyota’s engineers during a secretive test session in Germany. Now, as the car is about to be unveiled at the 2011 Tokyo motor show, it’s time to reveal all.

    Where does the Toyota FT-86 name come from?
    ‘FT’ means Future Toyota, and is a label given to Toyota concept cars. The ‘86’ plays on the Toyota Corolla GT Coupe, the 1.6-litre DOHC, rear-wheel drive coupe that enthusiasts refer to by its AE86 chassis-code. The implication, then, is that the FT-86 is a 21st century AE86.

    The FT-86 tag will be dropped for production. At the time of our drive, there was still a great deal of debate as to what the car would be called. The engineers were very keen on the AE86 link, while the marketeers thought that very few people would know what that symbolised – they preferred Celica. It is, however, likely that an 86 suffix will appear in some markets.

    What's the specification of the new Toyota FT-86?
    The key info here is that Toyota is developing the FT-86 in tandem with Subaru, who will also sell the car, in much the same way that Citroen, Toyota and Peugeot sell the C3/Aygo/107. So, this explains why the FT-86 uses a Subaru 2.0-litre flat-four engine that produces around 200bhp and 170lb ft. Unlike pretty much everyone else these days, Toyota has shunned turbocharging, but the engine does benefit from Toyota’s D4S direct injection, which helps towards a C02 figure of around 160g/km – a similarly powerful Renaultsport Clio manages 190g/km.

    The engine is mounted up front, but low and relatively far back in the engine bay. It’s mated to a close-ratio Aisin gearbox (as used by Toyota elsewhere), while a Torsen rear differential sits between the driven rear wheels. The overall weight distribution is 53/47% front to rear, while the production car will weight around 1200kg.

    The platform is newly developed, and I managed to put eight of my size 11 footsteps between the front and rear wheelhubs, giving a wheelbase of around 2400mm – similar dimensions to a Mini hatchback.

    Elsewhere, there’s MacPherson strut front suspension, and a double wishbone rear-end. Mitsubishi supplies the springs, while test cars ran both Sachs and Showa shock absorbers – we tested the Sachs set-up.

    What's the FT-86 like inside?
    You sit low down – lower than a Porsche Cayman, claim the engineers – and squish into a comfortable seat with leather bolsters and grippy suede centres. The driving position is excellent. The FT-86 is strictly a 2+2: there was no room whatsoever for my legs in the back with a six-feet-tall driver in the front.

    The rest of the interior was still heavily camouflaged but we did see aluminum finishes on the rotary climate control dials, plus a row of aluminium-topped switches. Toyota’s ‘keyless go’ is standard, but we couldn't see the zip-up dashboard cover like on the concept car, forum watchers take note!

    What's the 2012 Toyota FT-86 like to drive?
    It’s great fun. There’s fantastic throttle response, quick, well weighted steering and a nice firm brake pedal. Add little inputs to the steering when you’re driving in a straight line at speed and the front end darts immediately – no slop, no roll, it’s just 100% obedient and alert.

    Clearly, it’s not a GT-R chaser, but that’s the whole point – the focus here is on dynamics you can explore at lower speeds. The flat-four zings happily and spins round the dial to 7500rpm, at which point you get a flashing light and a well-judged soft rev limiter – not a sudden cut-out. Doesn’t sound much like a flat-four though – perhaps this is intentional, as the flat-four sound is such a Subaru trademark.

    The gear ratios are closely stacked, and help to keep this modestly powered 2.0-litre spinning, but the ratios are well chosen so as not to be tiresome: 60mph in sixth gear brings up 2500rpm – relatively high, yes, but not daft. The gearshift could be slicker, but the lever has an engagingly short throw.

    Even without sliding it around, the FT-86 is very obviously rear-wheel drive: get to the limit in a second-gear corner and accelerate harder and you feel the back end point the front back exactly where you want it. It responds well to a really aggressive driving style. Shame that the stability controls’ Sport setting was too intrusive, although Toyota’s engineers said they had a less intrusive set-up that they were also experimenting with.

    It must be a blast to slide around…
    Drifting is a huge part of the appeal of the FT-86, just as it continues to be for the AE86. Our car was fitted with 215/45 R17 Michelin Green X tyres all round – aka Toyota Prius tyres. This made it laughably sideways in second gear, the back end stepping out with relatively mild – and sometimes almost no – provocation. For the average driver, this makes exploring the limits far easier than in anything else currently on sale.

    However, at higher speeds I found the balance less pleasing. In fast third-gear turns, for instance, the front end feels too soft and errs towards understeer – it could be pointier, firmer and more positive. Under provocation, the rear then comes around, but the FT-86 is so short that this transition can be very quick. Two factors then come into play: the first is the Torsen diff, which is more refined in day-to-day driving, but less precise than a mechanical differential when the rear tyres are struggling for purchase, so the level of control you have over the sliding rear end is compromised; the second point is the lack of power: adding power during slides helps you to bring things back under control, but in a high-speed FT-86 you’re more in the hands of momentum than you are able to dictate things with the throttle.

    So the FT-86's a hooligan oversteer specialist?
    At one point I found myself snapping into very fast oversteer, then suddenly snapping back and making an out-of-control excursion across the run-off area. My mistake, yes, but I’ve never had this feeling in any other modern rear-wheel drive car, 911 GT3 included.

    Is there going to be an FT-86 with more power and a mechanical differential?
    Turbocharging the flat-four would be straightforward (after all, that’s what Subaru does with the Impreza), but chief engineer Tetsuya Tada told us that he ‘doesn’t like turbos’ and has ‘decided to reject the numeric power war’. He also said that an R version of the FT-86 was coming with less weight, Brembo brakes (our test car’s stoppers were from Hitachi), a rollcage, a larger rear wing, no rear seats and, yes, a mechanical LSD but no more power.

    And bear in mind that Toyota had invited us for our input and that this was a fairly early car – things will be tweaked for production. Our cars were still disguised, although pictures of the FT-86 production car have leaked out in recent days.

    Other options are also on the cards: a convertible is ‘possible’, while an auto gearbox is confirmed – it’s a six-speed unit based on the eight-speeder in the high-performance Lexus ISF.

    Verdict
    The Toyota FT-86 is great news for enthusiasts: it’s affordable, frugal and relatively practical. You also don’t have to be a driving deity to explore its limits. If anything, we’d adjust the high-speed, on-limit balance (firmer front end, more progressive transition into oversteer, tighter differential), but that doesn’t undo the underlying fact that this is a great car, and one that trounces its closest rival, the Mazda MX-5, in the fun stakes.



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    Damn you beat me to it West! LOL by 2 minutes

    Pretty psyched about it all.. 32 more days!!!

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    Great stuff!

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    Thank you for the articles, Mr. West.

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    2821lbs, thats pretty heavy for a car that only has 197bhp.

    was hoping this car would be lightweight. at least 2400lbs

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    Comparatively, the 240SX is general 2700 lbs with 155bhp. As the reviewers said, this is going to be a fun to drive car. Not road dominance. However it has the makings to allow us to get to some form of competitiveness with the higher class cars.

    I still pray the Subaru gets the turbo motor and brings us the swap-ability for Turbo motors. It will make the car have an awesome ecosystem in future years.

    Also for comparison. 370Z = 3300 lbs

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    And her is a few points from car and driver

    The first review of the Subaru BRZ prototype is in from Car and Driver

    Here's some of the more interesting bits from the article:
    Only Subaru personnel responsible for engineering and at test track.
    Engineering of the prototype dictated the final car's styling rather than vice versa.
    Toyota's role was styling the car.
    Production line begins May 2012 at Subaru's build center in Gunma Perfecture, Japan
    Car will be welded from regular materials such as steel, except for aluminum hood
    Subaru and Toyota will share nearly identical versions, sharing:
    Subaru flat four FB20 2.0L 200+ hp engine, using Toyota's D4Sport dual port and direct-injection technology (7500rpm redline)
    two Aisin 6-speed transmissions (one manual and a conventional automatic). Auto will have 3 modes - auto, manual, and 'temporary manual'
    one basic interior
    one set of body stampings and glass
    ** badges, wheels, and small trim items will be different
    Suspension is impreza-derived, with coil-over struts in front and three-link rear suspension.
    Motor will sit 4.7" lower than Impreza's placement and 9.4" inches closer to the center of the car.
    No sunroof.
    Notchback trunk (not a hatchback).
    Target curb weight during prototyping was 2800 pounds.
    Center of gravity: 17.7 inches high (1" lower than Cayman).
    Base sticker expected at $28,000 (estimated).

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    At 28k for a 200 hp car and 2800 lbs, it's not going to be very fast or as cheap as I'd hoped.

    Although, I just checked the MX-5's price. 23k base (no lsd) and 25,500 for "touring" which has the lsd. It's not hard to believe a 28k price tag, but still nothing like the original less than 25k idea. A Nissan 370 Z or Mustang isn't much more expensive though.
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    First clear photo of nearly exposed FR-S FT-86 BRZ interior!


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    28K 200HP 2800lbs. Those are not good specs. I refuse to beleieve it will cost that much.
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    Naw, "bang for the buck" as in performance. I'd rather than and need a shot of penicillin.

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    the interior is the one part i semi like
    and $28k is kinda ridiculous w/o a turbo
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    Quote Originally Posted by ej25ti View Post
    the interior is the one part i semi like
    and $28k is refuckingdiculous w/o a turbo
    Fixed.

    At 28k they would have no competition. All figures below rounded to nearest thousand.

    2012 V6 Mustang Starts at 22,000, V8 at 29,000
    Gen Coupe 2.0T 22,000, V6 26,000
    Camaro V6 23,000
    BMW 128I 31,000

    These are just examples. Some would argue that it is not about horsepower, and that the FR-S would be more fun to drive then a V6 Camara/Stang or a Gen coupe. Personally while I can appreciate a car that can corner like a beast I also want a car that has a bit of spunk to it. While it may not handle as well, with the gen coupe 2.0T at least you can upgrade the turbo parts and get more HP. HP wise the other cars are a lot more than this one.

    If it was just about handling with no power then this car will be the new version of the Miata or the 240SX. We all know that going into a corner at break neck speed and having the car just take it is awesome. However we all know that sometimes we want to step on the pedal and just have the car take the fuck off.

    I seriously hope that Subaru understands this.
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    Naw, "bang for the buck" as in performance. I'd rather than and need a shot of penicillin.

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    Not to mention the Genisis coupe will have more power with new upgrades for next year too....

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    Even a Turbo BRZ isnt worth 28k. Noy enough horses for 28k.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KnightCrawler View Post
    Even a Turbo BRZ isnt worth 28k. Noy enough horses for 28k.
    So the current 265 HP Imprezza WRX for $25,500 MSRP is OK for you? I am just wondering what you think is a good price point for turbo and non-turbo BRZ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentheart View Post
    So the current 265 HP Imprezza WRX for $25,500 MSRP is OK for you? I am just wondering what you think is a good price point for turbo and non-turbo BRZ.

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    265 HP AWD for 25k Yes thats fine- But 28k a car thats Not going to have more horse power than STi or a WRX
    Like I said in other post The FR86 should not be expensive at all it needs to start off with a low starter price and end only a few thousand on the top end model.. Hell its rated next to a damn Mazda Miata.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KnightCrawler View Post
    265 HP AWD for 25k Yes thats fine- But 28k a car thats Not going to have more horse power than STi or a WRX
    Like I said in other post The FR86 should not be expensive at all it needs to start off with a low starter price and end only a few thousand on the top end model.. Hell its rated next to a damn Mazda Miata.
    So in your earlier post that a turbo BRZ is not worth it. So by chance the turbo BRZ has 270 HP and dose better number than WRX, "on track" then is it worth it?
    Sorry to bring this up. It is always harder to raise price on existing model. Since FRS is going to be starting $25,000 as Scion president suggested in 2011 NY auto show.It is only logical for C&D to guess Subaru BRZ at higher price for more standard equips and does not kill Scion sales.
    I like the car, but I am not going to be the first one to go out and buy one because there will be MSRP + mark up. I think you are right, once people think it is over priced, the incentive will kick in because you and I are waiting to see if there is a turbo version with a little more horses.

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    ^^^ what do you honestly think will come standard in the BRZ though that wont in the scion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ej25ti View Post
    ^^^ what do you honestly think will come standard in the BRZ though that wont in the scion?
    Well, they could have better seats, better brakes, rims, etc. Still I'd love to see a BRZ STi with a turbo (260 hp) and cost less than 30k. Could you imagine that if the specs are true and the car weighs 2600 lbs, that they make a turbo variant with 260+ hp and less than 2800 lbs? It would run a low 13 stock! I can't see why they wouldn't want to crush mustangs, camaro's, genesis and 370z's with a lower priced car that did almost everything better in every way as far as performance goes. It would be the new benchmark for performance. They could push 280 hp easily and still sit under 2800 lbs. It would make a 3rd gen mr2 look weak and be the best bang for the buck car ever.

    I'm going to agree with Cal. They need a performance model with real performance. This car is low slung and is ready to be a contender. Why hold it back? Once again, I could see this thing wearing a Supra badge with the right upgrades, but it seems Toyota/Subaru don't have the balls to make a car for us HARDCORE enthusiasts. An STi is nice, but it's no Supra. This thing has bad@ss written all over it, but I guess I'm the only one seeing that? (revert to make a supra from the ft-86? )

    Like I had posted, a turbo variant could be capable of surpassing the MK4 Supra in every way.
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    ^^ for that price i would hope it has suede sparco seats and a brembo big brake kit drilled rotors n all hah
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    Quote Originally Posted by ej25ti View Post
    ^^ for that price i would hope it has suede sparco seats and a brembo big brake kit drilled rotors n all hah
    2012 Subaru WRX STI - 2012 Subaru WRX STI Future Car First Look on RoadandTrack.com

    ^just to point out, they are putting figures at 330 hp for a 2.0 L FB engine.

    If they can do an AWD track monster for 35k, how could they not be able to do a lighter, more moderate, turbo rwd BRZ for 29K? Case and point, no middle diff, no awd systems period, limit any electronics (make if for rwd purist), only do nice front seats with 5 pt harness/ roll cage and use parts borrowed from the WRX STi (meaing no r&d for new parts, only limit r&d to make them work for rwd).

    It should be easy. This is how the mr2 was developed and came to be one of the best bang for the buck cars ever. Use parts bin stuff and bolt it to the lightest, most nimble and highest performance chassis you can design. The 4a engine was from the corolla (levin/trueno) went into the aw11, the 3sgte came from the alltrac/gt4 and went to the sw20 and the 1zz was from the last gen celica and went into the mrs (should have got a 2zz w/6spd).
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    I meant without a turbo.
    I hope that article about the STI is true, i know it's old but
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    Like in the "Letter to STI Division" an STi without a turbo just doesn't make since.
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    Naw, "bang for the buck" as in performance. I'd rather than and need a shot of penicillin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cal View Post
    Like in the "Letter to STI Division" an STi without a turbo just doesn't make since.
    Exactly. Only way I could see it justified, if they took the NA motor to something like 260 hp with ITB's and craziness. It would be easier just to add a turbo. It would give the car some torque too. I'm still about a 260+ hp, rwd, low slung, pushed back, turbo, boxer 4 in a car that weighs less than 2800 lbs stock and I could ever afford. Closest things to this overall performance, Elise, Boxster, 1m and Cayman. All of which would be close to twice as expensive (minus Elise) as a 30k BRZ STi and have parts that are waaaay expensive to fix (minus elise, but I hate the zz powertrain!).
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    I wouldn't mind just having 220HP as long as the block was stout and it had strong internals.
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    Naw, "bang for the buck" as in performance. I'd rather than and need a shot of penicillin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cal View Post
    I wouldn't mind just having 220HP as long as the block was stout and it had strong internals.
    True, but in looking at Subaru, if it did have a turbo, it would be hard to not have over 240 hp. I'd like to see it get 9.0:1 compression and a turbo capable of 300 whp on pump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silentheart View Post
    I like the car, but I am not going to be the first one to go out and buy one because there will be MSRP + mark up.
    This is exactly why I said the car will be over priced regardless if its a Scion or Subaru lol
    The MSRP was said to be 25K< Now is that the Base price of it?
    Cause after all the Mark Ups,Taxes it will easily jump to 28K to walk out the door with a Base model!
    I hope people see where im coming from... im not bashing because I want one.

 

 

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