New Subaru Turbos Coming in 2012. More hope for BRZ turbo

**Shevon** · 09-23-2011, 12:53 AM

Source: insidline.com
This caught my attention today, we will see what happens.

Just the Facts:
• In 2012, Subaru will introduce two turbocharged variants of its latest-generation direct-injection four-cylinder boxer engine.
• One of the new versions of the FB engine architecture will be a 300-horsepower STI variant.
• The Subaru BRZ sports car will likely receive the turbo boxer engine, though not at launch.

FRANKFURT, Germany — In 2012, Subaru will introduce two turbocharged variants of its latest-generation direct-injection four-cylinder boxer engine, including a 300-horsepower STI version.
The new FB engine architecture, first launched in the U.S. in normally aspirated guise in the 2011 Forester, will add boosted 1.6- and 2.0-liter variants next year.
Yet to be determined is whether the boosted version will find its way eventually into the new Subaru BRZ sport coupe. So far, Subaru is only talking about a normally aspirated version of the new 2.0-liter boxer engine for the BRZ, a variant of the FB architecture known as FA. The FA engine in the BRZ is understood to produce 200 hp and employ Toyota's D-4S direct- and port fuel-injection layout, though company officials would not confirm these widely held notions.
On the force-fed FB variants, the turbo is mounted beneath the engine, in contrast to the high-mount location typical of the turbo EJ-series engine still used in the U.S. The intercooler remains mounted directly above the engine.
In STI guise, the new 2.0-liter FB turbo is targeting the same 300-hp peak output as the existing engine, but will return 10 percent better fuel economy.

Inside Line says: Look for more details to emerge when the production version of the 2013 BRZ is formally unveiled in December at the Tokyo auto show.

**engineer14teg** · 09-23-2011, 08:48 AM

Just saw that too. It's definitely coming (the 2.0 tubo), it's just gotta!

The article says the BRZ would compete with the STi; I don't think it would to the discerning buyer of a 300hp playtoy. They are much different cars with different shapes and drives (RWD vs. AWD). The Evo won't be competeing anymore, so they can expand their line-up without worry of being passed!

I'm still going n/a though :P Nothing quite like it.

**HyperFX** · 09-23-2011, 12:50 PM

The article was enjoyable...but I'll believe it when i see it in production.

Please don't forget the added cost of maintaining boosted vehicles. You need synthetic motor oil, use premium gasoline and make sure all your internals are well maintained. Boost is excellent but depending on your budget, it may not be for everyone.

(0'-') ( In my opinion I prefer turbos)

**Cal** · 09-23-2011, 03:11 PM

I wonder what the 1.6 liter is slated for. It would make sense to me for tr BRZ to get it. If the WRX STI has 2.0 the BRZ STI 1.6. It fits.

**KnightCrawler** · 09-23-2011, 04:00 PM

There will be turbo on the FR86.
Hell look at the Matrix! lol AWD

**ej25ti** · 09-23-2011, 04:09 PM

hopefully this is true, inside line is one of the more reliable sources
... then again this does mean i have to wait longer as well...

**chunkymunky** · 09-23-2011, 04:38 PM

will the scion have a turbo option?????????

**blofeld42** · 09-23-2011, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by Cal

I wonder what the 1.6 liter is slated for. It would make sense to me for tr BRZ to get it. If the WRX STI has 2.0 the BRZ STI 1.6. It fits.

It's widely rumored the next WRX will not be based on the Impreza platform, that it will have a 1.6L turbo with 250+HP, and be sized very close to the current size of the BRZ.

I'd guess they'll significantly modify the BRZ--move the engine higher, probably increase the size a bit--and make it a WRX.

**modifiedMR** · 09-23-2011, 11:54 PM

Originally Posted by blofeld42

It's widely rumored the next WRX will not be based on the Impreza platform, that it will have a 1.6L turbo with 250+HP, and be sized very close to the current size of the BRZ.

I'd guess they'll significantly modify the BRZ--move the engine higher, probably increase the size a bit--and make it a WRX.

I think it would be a whole lot of work to get a wrx out of a brz, but I guess they can work some magic?

It makes sense that they drop the displacement with the added direct injection for their line-up. No need for a 2.5, when you can add higher compression to make the same power on the smaller engine. This will add efficiency, but make it harder to get big whp numbers (like 500+ whp). A dual injected 2.0 turbo could easily get 300+ hp.

Turbo cars aren't too expensive, especially stock. You can mod turbo cars to make much better than stock mpg. The DI with FI and a turbo all spell efficient power. Turbo's last ~60-120k and an aftermarket turbo that will add power won't cost as much as a stocker new, which means a ~1k investment later. The smile on your face, while driving is well worth it, IMO!

Did I mention, that I was right, unless, well, they are stealing the info from me!

**KnightCrawler** · 09-24-2011, 09:48 PM

Guys dont forget they mentioned they where going to to keep the electrical basic, so that the car can be easily modded, now with that said I cant see them not putting a stout engine block capable of handling 350hp, but not putting a turbo from factory.
IMO they will leave ample enough room in the engine bay for a 16 inch turbo- or a 2JZ ya hear me ModifiedMR !!!

**Shevon** · 09-25-2011, 09:06 AM

2jz in this baby would be pure sex lol

**modifiedMR** · 09-25-2011, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by KnightCrawler

Guys dont forget they mentioned they where going to to keep the electrical basic, so that the car can be easily modded, now with that said I cant see them not putting a stout engine block capable of handling 350hp, but not putting a turbo from factory.
IMO they will leave ample enough room in the engine bay for a 16 inch turbo- or a 2JZ ya hear me ModifiedMR !!!

They'll have the room, but what will they do with it? A 1.6L turbo won't put out too much more power than the 2.0 NA. Maybe 250 hp when the NA would have 200 or even 210? It would have alot more torque though with a small turbo, but it's not my flavor. I'd like to see a 2.5 L with a 400 whp capable turbo (not stock), because the lighter ft86 doesn't need a whole lot of lowend. Using a larger turbo with a larger engine would give good lowend, with bad@$$ topend. With the focus on economy in cars now, I doubt we'll ever see a hardcore ft86, but I can dream.

The 2jz is too big and heavy for the ft86. Remember, I'm a road racing/drift/autox fan. I want power mixed with handling, braking and aero. That's what makes the mr2 so sweet, it handles good, brakes hardcore and has a great powerplant for making and building power. Same goes for the STi, Evo, Supra, etc. Gotta have the right sized car with the right sized engine. Now a 3.0 inline six that was ALL aluminum, might work. It would be like the older m3's with new tech, which would be nice. Still, I do think the boxer fits in the ft86 nicely, but I wish it was closer to the firewall and had 48 front and 52 rear weight distribution.

**blofeld42** · 09-25-2011, 02:50 PM

The rumor is a smaller WRX with a 1.6L making about 270HP, and a STI making about 300HP.

If you parse the "insider" statement below, it suggests a future WRX and the FT-86 are related. A small company like Subaru is not going to make two new platforms for motor sports, and the Yaris is pretty close in size to the FT-86. The Yaris is about 154 X 67, the FT-86 164 X 70. Allow some repackaging growth for AWD and you're there.

Subaru Impreza, WRX Models to Diverge - Motor Trend

"Obviously the rally model will be based on the top-of-the-line STI car, but unlike previous Impreza WRXs, this new WRX will be more hard-core and less forgiving on bumpy road surfaces," adds our source. Collaboration with Toyota on the FT-86 project also seems to have something to do with the direction of the new WRX and STI. "If the truth be known, we were able to focus so deeply on the motorsports element with the new WRX because we developed a sister car with the Toyota FT-86. Bosses gave us permission to go all out because that car exists," says our insider.
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The car’s body is rumored to be a little bigger than a Toyota Yaris, while its tread width is said to expand significantly."

**ej25ti** · 09-26-2011, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by blofeld42

The rumor is a smaller WRX with a 1.6L making about 270HP, and a STI making about 300HP.

If you parse the "insider" statement below, it suggests a future WRX and the FT-86 are related. A small company like Subaru is not going to make two new platforms for motor sports, and the Yaris is pretty close in size to the FT-86. The Yaris is about 154 X 67, the FT-86 164 X 70. Allow some repackaging growth for AWD and you're there.

Subaru Impreza, WRX Models to Diverge - Motor Trend

"Obviously the rally model will be based on the top-of-the-line STI car, but unlike previous Impreza WRXs, this new WRX will be more hard-core and less forgiving on bumpy road surfaces," adds our source. Collaboration with Toyota on the FT-86 project also seems to have something to do with the direction of the new WRX and STI. "If the truth be known, we were able to focus so deeply on the motorsports element with the new WRX because we developed a sister car with the Toyota FT-86. Bosses gave us permission to go all out because that car exists," says our insider.
...
The car’s body is rumored to be a little bigger than a Toyota Yaris, while its tread width is said to expand significantly."

Nothing about this article seems reliable at all...